Let the chips fall
Thursday, Sep 22, 2005
Do you have any friends in real life who live life in a very different way from you? And if so, how do you approach posting about your very strong views, knowing that they are reading them and might feel judged?
I do have many friends who are very different from me; in fact, I cannot think of anyone who agrees with me on everything or even almost everything (except my dear husband, and yet, we still have differences on what an acceptable level of mess is…). My longest standing friend is a liberal socialist who would rather choke down an onion than read this site. And yet, she asked me to be the maid-of-honor in her wedding, but I didn’t get to because she eloped in Vegas. She just likes my decorating advice, I think.
I’m not sure that I’m the best person to give advice on how to win friends and influence people for what little skill I acquired on the subject was learned mostly by non-examples. Though, if I had the chance to have a cup of tea with younger married women starting their families, I’d tell them not to have a chip on their shoulder. When someone asks them, “Do you know what causes that?! What about socialization? You’re going to do what?”, I’d tell them to smile sweetly and come up with a witty reply and a wink.
As far as people feeling judged, so long as your speech is seasoned with grace, your motive is charity, and your tongue is not promoting virtue found outside Christ, I think it is best to let the chips fall where they may.
There are two primary reasons I think that people walk around feeling “judged.” One is that they see in you a value that they do not hold, and their conscience tells them that they ought. They refuse a lifestyle change because the cost outweighs the convenience. Modern culture tells us to “obey our thirst,” and the mantra rings stronger than the call to take up one’s cross.
Another reason that people feel condemned is because they are—sorry for the weak word—insecure. I can relate. I remember when my first child was a young toddler and someone criticized me for allowing him to drink from a bottle instead of a cup. I was so upset, and I’m not making this up. If you want to say something to make a woman weep, wail, and gnash her teeth, go ahead and remotely criticize her mothering skills. Drinking from a bottle is not a moral issue, but from the way I reacted, you’d think his salvation depended on whether it was appropriate or not.
It is a silly example, but it illustrates nicely that I was still young in my confidence and in need of reassurance. Being twenty-one, it is understandable and forgivable, but you’d be wrong to assume that everyone grows in confidence in the same way that they age. And so, we must be gentle with one another.
Sure, I live my life according to my conscience, but in every culture there must be those who are willing to say, “People, the emperor has no clothes.”
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That’s a really good post and something I struggle with. I know I have convictions that in the real world aren’t even an option for some-like if someone is struggling with infertility, or a husband opposes homeschooling. I certainly do not want to pour sand in the wounds of God’s own lambs, but there are also somethings that should be said!
Comment by kerri (September 22, 2005 @ 4:25 pm )
Great post, Amy. Sometimes by nature, we offend just by doing something different. We don’t even have to say a word we just homeschool and offend a public schooler, or homebirth and offend a hospital birther. There is this quality in human nature: “If you like me, you will be like me or do what I do.” By default, if we are different on purpose, we don’t like people who do opposite to what we do.
Sometimes I think no matter how hard I try, I offend just because of the default delimma. Most of what I do is tied to spiritual directive. I farm because it is a biblical calling. I have a large family (or allow God to plan our family) because it is a biblical calling. I homeschool because it is a biblical calling. The default thinking can do really nasty things here. By default thinking that means those who don’t do what I do are not Christian. Uggh. I hate default thinking. I am not sure how to get around it. I have no ability to influence it really. The reason is because it stems from the person who is feeling judged. Sometimes they may judged because God is working on convicting their hearts and they just don’t want to give. Touchy subject, but I do my best to try not to say there is only one way. I have a lot of room to grow though.
Comment by KS Milkmaid (September 22, 2005 @ 6:13 pm )
Good post, Amy. Thank you!
Comment by Sarah (September 22, 2005 @ 7:06 pm )
Okay, I have to ask: What IS wrong with letting children drink from a bottle? Is that a “thing” now?
I think many people who may be offended by a site like this are, as you indicate, Amy, simply acting defensively. I come from a very, very different tradition than most of the ladies here, I’m happily childless, and I’m a career woman, but I don’t feel anyone here is accusing me of not being a Christian. I mean, they’re free to do that if they wish, but it doesn’t affect my own conviction.
Just one question, though: When you speak of “not promoting virtue found outside of Christ,” does that mean . . . well, what does it mean? Does it mean simply that you don’t want to encourage anyone to think that you feel virtue can be found outside of Christ (as clearly you do not), or does it mean that one cannot believe that, say, Hindu women can be virtuous, etc. I’m just curious.
Comment by Mrs. P. (September 22, 2005 @ 10:50 pm )
A lot of moms prefer their toddlers to drink from non-spill “sippy cups”, but it is neither here nor there.
I mean that sometimes we women like to find our virtue out of the godly things we choose instead of solely in Christ. If a family homeschools their kids, they are not “more spiritual” or “ahead of” or whatever. Sometimes we choose a thing (healthy eating, homeschooling, dressing modestly, etc.) as a thing to promote or maybe a bandwagon to jump on. Let it be the Cross that offends.
If I do something that is good, it is because God is good. I’m not saying that our decisions don’t matter, but Christ is our song, not [fill-in-the-blank].
Comment by Amy (September 23, 2005 @ 7:59 am )
Amy I really liked reading this post. I have struggled with this issue some as we have very few friends that even understand what we are doing with our children. I have just decided to write what I feel God leading me to write and then show my friends in “real life” that I dont condem them for what they do. They know me. They know that if they get mad at me and dont tell me then..hey I cant do anything about it! So, of course they have no problems telling me…
Once again..great post!
Julie
Comment by Julie (September 23, 2005 @ 8:13 am )
Great post!
Comment by Liz (September 23, 2005 @ 10:21 am )
It isn’t always a bad thing to be offensive. Someone said once to me that if everyone, everywhere thinks you’re wonderful then there could be a problem.
Even a seasoned mom hates to have her mothering skills put in question! I’m just so thankful that God gives more confidence–well, in my case, there was MUCH insecurity due to childhood stuff and HE gave me my dh who had such a healing influence.
Great Post!
Comment by Lyn (September 23, 2005 @ 12:28 pm )
I agree with the others; great post. I love what you wrote about letting the Cross offend rather than our own convictions, too.
Comment by Kristen (September 23, 2005 @ 2:25 pm )
“I mean that sometimes we women like to find our virtue out of the godly things we choose instead of solely in Christ. If a family homeschools their kids, they are not “more spiritual” or “ahead of” or whatever. Sometimes we choose a thing (healthy eating, homeschooling, dressing modestly, etc.) as a thing to promote or maybe a bandwagon to jump on. Let it be the Cross that offends.
If I do something that is good, it is because God is good. I’m not saying that our decisions don’t matter, but Christ is our song, not [fill-in-the-blank].”
Well-put, Amy. Thanks.
Comment by Mrs. P. (September 23, 2005 @ 4:08 pm )
Great post! We try to never discuss with others our view on family size, homeschooling, etc., unless of course they ask directly, but we’ve gotten several comments from friends, family, and strangers, letting us know what they think of us! Maybe it is a conviction of the spirit on them! As I’ve been discouraged by the vehemenence of their comments, I’m encouraged by the perspective of yours. God bless!
P.S. Check out Vision Forum’s blog today. My husband’s movie trailer is shown! - Sorry, but proud wife moment… having trouble containing self!
Comment by emily (September 23, 2005 @ 5:23 pm )
Amazing. Simply, amazing.
Amy, you’ve been blessed with an unusually great amount of common sense.
I really enjoy reading your blog, and I’m glad someone finally had the gumption to post this. (Even linked to it from mine, of course.) Been thinking about it for a long time. This is one of those things that I grew up knowing from an early age, because we were taught it. I am completely responsible for my own actions.
Keep it coming.
Comment by /tim (September 23, 2005 @ 5:44 pm )
i appreciated your post today. (i do lots of days, i just don’t always feel i have much to add to the discussion.) i am a pastor’s wife–almost 60! in MY experience, i have found more problems on the opposite side of the coin from milkmaid. i have been quite accepting of families’ choices re schooling, birth control/family size,etc. that have been different from mine. i realize that a couple can be totally seeking to do God’s will, living Biblically and make a different choice from mine. i have not always been shown the same respect by some of my homeschooling sisters and brothers.
i am also one of those who chooses to recognize “the elephant sitting in the middle of the room” that no one else seems to want to talk about. i disagree that not talking about our choices is the best way to get along. maybe talking about our choices in a respectful way that actually listens to what entered into the thought processes of the couple would be helpful and educational for all.
one of the least helpful ways to discuss these issues is to say things like,”farming is a biblical calling”. when written, a person can read that and say, “yes, that is true.” it is A biblical calling. when heard in conversation however, i would hear that as, it is the only Biblical calling–which it is NOT! our Biblical calling is to glorify God in whatever place He puts us BOTH professionally and geographically. whether we deliver @ home or in a hospital is personal preference NOT Biblical rule. when i was in the stage of life that many of you are, it was a huge issue. now i realize that in the grand scheme of things, where my child is born is not nearly as big a deal as whether he/she and i survive that event. we do one another a disservice to make these personal preferences into rigid rules with the same level of authority as scripture. there are people who need to deliver in a hospital. we don’t need to demonize hospitals just to make our choice look great. if you are happy with your choice and know it is the right one for you and your spouse before God, that is what is important. what others think is worth zero.
i think that what people mean when they talk about these things is that in light of a number of scriptural teachings and in light of the woman and her husband and their preferences and as they have discussed together and prayed re those issues, this is the way it will work out in their family. that is great. if that is how you believe, keep moving and don’t allow yourself to build walls between others who make different choices. they are not necessarily less spiritual than you. an ideal local church should have all kinds of people in it. people who homeschool, send their kids to christian school, classical school, public school, etc. (i have known people in each category who made those choices for Biblical reasons.) we were in such a church…and are now too. the NT is loaded with illustrations of the diversity that is present in the Body of Christ. there is no reason why this area should be any different.
“seasoning our speech with grace” is such a major discipline for many of us. we need it with our spouses, children, parents and especially for each other. it was a great reminder amy. for me, that always starts in my heart. i have to not give in to my (sometimes) paranoid thoughts that people are judging me when many times they really aren’t. dwelling on whatever is true, honest, wholesome, of good report, etc. (don’t have my Bible in front of me) is such a challenge some days. because my mind can get carried away, i have to assume people are being genuine with me unless i have different evidence. when people are being fake, it shows soon enough.
must stop, i’m sorry i can’t do concise:( martha
Comment by martha (September 23, 2005 @ 7:19 pm )
Martha:
Let me point it out something in the body of your comment.
You see the trouble here is when I make a statement and then you read behind the statement and jump to conclusions. This can be a frustrating thing in communication. I am a clear communicator and I would say it is the only biblical calling if I truly thought it was. The absense of my use of “the ONLY biblical calling” is for a reason. Quite simply, it is not the ONLY biblical calling for people. Reading between the lines is a needed skill sometimes in this life, but it can also be our demise. Biblically we have an example of what happened to a King when he read between the line on King David’s motives. Its the story of David sending his people to bless a leader. The leader reads between the lines and think they are spying. He shaves their beards and sends them home naked. David’s genuine intentions were brutally distorted. The result was war.
What I am simply witnessing about is that I walk closely with God and feel in my daily time with him that I am in the place he needs me to be to glorify him. It is a biblical calling. Hear the joy in following Christ, not the details by which I am living. Hear the process, I am describing, not the content of what I am describing. I truly believe that Christ can be glorified in a public school setting, and with hospital births too. To believe other wise would condemn the five hospital births I had and make them meaningless. To believe otherwise, would make my son’s time in public school a waste of time.
Strength can be horrible if left to humanity. Our strength must be cloaked in Christ or it becomes what you describe in the context of your comment… rigid means to judge others as less than spiritual. We must appreciate the unique roles God calls us to play. After all the bible is not filled with stories of 15,000 Moses. There is Adam, Rahab, Noah, Lydia, Paul, Timothy, Anna and more. Just a look at the 12 disciples will show you a variety of men from diverse walks of life all coming together for His purpose.
Comment by KS Milkmaid (September 23, 2005 @ 8:19 pm )
I couldn’t agree more. I am so “left-brained” that often I come across too harsh to my fellow women, but I do try to be “nice.”
I had a friend who became pro-life slowly, over many talks and many questions. She’d come to me and ask a question, I’d answer her honestly but try hard not to make it personal, and she’d argue and get mad and I’d stick to my point. She’d leave and I’d think she was mad, but a few days later she’s calling me like she was never mad. One day she came up and told me, “I hate you; you’re always right.” I said simply, “Nope, I’m not, but God is, so when you ask me about right and wrong, and God has spoken on it, yes, His way is always going to be right.” She said she could remain friends w/ me despite huge differences, she was a wiccan and a feminist, because I could treat her w/ respect and let our differences over–say abortion–stay w/ that topic and not carry over into our kids’ day at the park or planning a BBQ. Sounds like you have the same talent. I think it sharpens us to be around both those like us and those who are different.
Comment by Khyraen (September 24, 2005 @ 3:34 am )
Thanks Amy. This is a lovely little “food for thought” post. I enjoyed it. I linked you on my blog today. Hope you weathered the storm well. Sounds like you are fine. We were in that I45 nightmare Thursday. Planning to stay up North this week and avoid a repeat! God bless you and yours…. and I’m glad God has blessed you with such insight into the affairs of humankind so that you can blog it and share it with others!
Comment by heather (September 24, 2005 @ 6:23 pm )
Okay, I think the confusion comes in this way….
KSMilkmaid states that people become offended by merely the actions of her life … namely homeschooling, etc.
Martha is stating that in her experience people have become offended by the lack of certain actions in her life … namely homeschooling, etc.
I’ve seen both circumstances, as probably most of us have. I have friends that homeschooled, considered homeschooling, parochial schooled, and public schooled. Both Martha and KSMilkmaid are just providing differing perspectives of similar experiences.
I’ve heard homeschooling being bad mouthed for various reasons that I don’t feel were accurate or even important. But … I’ve also seen public schoolers treated as though they are less Christian because of that decision. Both of these reactions are misguided.
I think core of this discussion is this … it’s not the decision but the reasons behind the decision. Everyone’s beliefs differ in some way … and yes, some are wrong. They have to be. Not everyone can be right. The main dispute does not lie in whether one homeschools or not (for example), but why or why not. It’s the why … the belief that is challenged. To challenge or question the belief is what makes some folks defensive and some offensive.
Comment by justme (September 24, 2005 @ 8:45 pm )
thank you just me for being concise (not my ability–fortunately my husband’s). i think you got to the root of what i saw the problem to be. i don’t write to blogs often b/c i think i add more confusion than clarity. i need my friends to help me fine tune my ideas and keep me on track and off all the rabbit trails. thanks, martha
Comment by martha (September 25, 2005 @ 9:22 am )
Thank you for your insight on a sticky subject. Another reason that I am so happy to have a link to your blog from my new blog!
Comment by Lisa (September 26, 2005 @ 2:42 pm )
Great post. I linked to it today.
… my main struggle with all of this is looking at your pictures. I just feel like something is missing.
My husband has suggested that I either draw, or find on the internet what the other half MIGHT look like, then maybe we could have a vote to see what most people think the other half looks like.
—Well, the half showing is beautiful!
Blessings, Jul
Comment by Jul (September 26, 2005 @ 8:58 pm )
Falling Chips, A.A. The Presbyterian Controversy
Let the Chips Fall
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Jul–A full picture is on the About page.
Comment by Amy (September 27, 2005 @ 4:35 pm )