Florida gardening
Thursday, Oct 6, 2005
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Annie asked a couple posts back if I employed organic gardening methods. In effort to defend explain myself, I am writing this post in response. Since she is a new reader, I’m sure she hasn’t read about my past gardening woes. My gardening woes are many, but since I think it is a valuable use of time and energy, I press on.
Notice I used the word, “valuable.” I didn’t say it was profitable (in a monetary sense). Yet.
Let me explain. When your husband sits down and looks at the lone strawberry on his plate and asks, “So, this is what a $25 strawberry tastes like?”, the correct response is, “But look how much more character and knowledge we have.” I don’t want to reiterate the extent we went to when beginning our gardening journey; reread the above link for a primer. Shuffle through the archives for more.
The bottom line is that while there is a wealth of knowledge available for gardening successfully, securing the methods to ensure a bountiful garden in Florida is a whole other matter. In some ways, you’d think it’d be easier: no fruit trees—other than citrus—can be grown here. So, there’s a whole area that I don’t have to learn. On the flip side, nobody tells you that raspberries, carnations, peaches, broccoli, and hollyhocks don’t grow here. On the contrary, gardening magazines claim that a certain variety grows in zone 9 (the area I live in), but the fact is, it doesn’t. Perhaps they mean it’s possible if you have an air-conditioned greenhouse, but otherwise, it is false advertising. Even your local garden center will sell starter plants that are unfit to grow here.
Here’s an example. I want to grow strawberries. There are strawberry farms a couple hours from me, so I know it can be done (there, at least). Catalogs ship bare-root plants after the final frost in your area. For us, this is February. After much research, however, I found out that strawberry plants are treated as annuals here and you plant them in October. They are finished by March. Upon calling every nursery within an hour’s drive of here, I find that nobody sells strawberry plants until the spring. So, there is no way to get plants locally or otherwise until the spring. But then it’s too late.
It’s a conspiracy, I say.
Another thing I noticed was that if your neighbor isn’t growing say, tulips, then you shouldn’t try to either. However nobody around here grows anything, but I’m not going to let that stop me. So long as I can remember, I’ve been passionate about flowers and gardening. There is something just “right” about it, and it awakens a calming feeling that is beneficial to the household. I like to pull into my driveway and see impatiens in full bloom under the oak tree. It makes me think, “Yes, this is our home.”
I am not a successful gardener yet, but I know that I have the qualities that will make me one someday: a willingness to learn new things, enough passion to repeatedly email the local extension agents without embarrassment, a good work ethic, a husband with an even better work ethic, and the knowledge that I am pursuing something worthwhile.
I think I got off-track here, because this was supposed to be about my methods. The “dirt” here in Florida is pure sand. Without augmenting the soil, you are guaranteeing your plant’s demise. I use bone meal, peat moss, compost, and/or manure to enrich my soil when I put in a new plant. We used to have a red wiggler worm farm for composting, but as soon as you’d put the worms and compost in the sandy soil, the fire ants would appear without exception and eat up the worms. A handful of fertilizer is much more efficient. I am still interested in soil enhancements, but I’ve yet to find a large-scale answer to that.
I do throw fruit peels and vegetable waste underneath bushes still, even though the raccoons stomp flat the flowers sometimes in effort to claim the scraps. As far as spraying goes, I do spray my flowers because I have not found an effective organic way to control the infestations. Since we don’t eat our flowers, it’s not a health concern. I don’t spray my vegetables after the fruit has set. I usually just over plant so that I can afford to lose a lot to critters, bugs, and disease. One year, I planted about 100 tomato plants and just let them grow wild. I did not tend them (probably due to morning sickness). We had an abundance of tomatoes all spring long. The kids would hunt among the brambles (all the plants were laying down) for the good ones, and toss the rotten ones over the fence so the raccoons wouldn’t have to bother climbing over.
My husband erected an electric fence one year to keep out the raccoons. I had a respectable lot of watermelon growing. I spent a great deal of time babying them. Just when they were ripe, the raccoons jumped over the zapper and chowed down. We have never eaten a homegrown watermelon.
But I’m not discouraged. I’m outraged. So when I set out my squash and tomatoes last night and hung up the shovel, I looked around the garage for the BB gun too. Now, that’s organic.
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LOL @ “now, that’s organic.”
I had no idea it was so hard to grow things in Florida. I am in Colorado and picture Florida as a lush nearly-tropical paradise, bursting with produce.
Comment by mopsy (October 6, 2005 @ 2:51 pm )
Mopsy,
I think they named “Flori”da the same time as “Green”land.
Comment by Amy (October 6, 2005 @ 2:56 pm )
I’m glad you are perservering in your struggle. And, I thought we had problems with our little garden up north, but now I know, if there’s no sand, there’s no problem.
Comment by gwen (October 6, 2005 @ 3:59 pm )
I recommend the book “Mrs. Greenthumbs” by Cassandra Danz. It is out of print, but you can get it used on Amazon. It helped me change how I think about gardening. It can be learned.
Comment by Julana (October 6, 2005 @ 5:18 pm )
I’m not sure where you’re at in Florida - we live in central Florida, about an 70 miles SE of Tampa. I know that in our area, strawberry plants are for sale now. I’ve seen then at Home Depot, Lowes, and Walmart. Of course…this also means that I only live an hour away from Plant City which is well known for its strawberries…maybe that makes a difference…the people around here know when to sell them!!! We have had good success with golden dewdrops, allamandas, pentas, jatropha (these do wonderful!), and gardenias as far as more bushy plants. Zinnias are excellent annuals - you just about can’t kill them in Florida and they thrive in heat. Also, glads do really well here. I planted cosmos a few years ago and they grew to over 8 feet tall - and they keep popping back up because they reseed themselves. However, I have just about all but given up on our roses, but a couple of them are rallying this week! Good luck! I’ll have to read back through your archives to see what all you’ve tried!
Comment by Tiffany (October 6, 2005 @ 5:39 pm )
Amy,
If you really want strawberries, ask the growers where they get theirs in the fall. If their supplier only sells to the pros in large quantities perhaps the grower would sell you some plants at the proper time. The zone designation is for cold hardiness only so it only reflects average minimum temps. As of yet there are no heat tolerance zone designations. This is 90% of your problem with Florida gardening. About the other 10%, I totally empathize with you about the racoons. We’ve had a horrible time with deer. They once devoured all my jalapeno pepper plants! We live in Indiana farm country between the cornfield and the river. This past summer we were overrun with groundhogs. My husband used your organic approach after other methods failed. Persevere and keep records. One day you will hit the perfect combination and will want to remember exactly what it was you did right.
Comment by Melissa (October 6, 2005 @ 6:24 pm )
Melissa, We posted at the same time. I don’t know of anywhere other than Plant City that could sell me some runners, but like I said above, I’ll check the local spots again this year.
Comment by Amy (October 6, 2005 @ 6:29 pm )
Amy,
I know how you feel about planting things in FL. I think I have a “black thumb.” We recently planted a 2nd oak tree in our side yard b/c the first one flashed brown in a 36 hour period about 2 weeks after we planted it. Now the next one isn’t doing well and we’ve been diligent about caring for it. I guess we’re destined to “live on the moon” here in Gainesville–our lot has NO trees at all…it was pasture. I had a lovely drake elm, too, but it’s not looking so good either….
Many prayers for your success in the gardening endeavor!
Nancy P.
Comment by Nancy Palmer (October 6, 2005 @ 9:54 pm )
Amy…I have the inside track on this. I had a talk with my sister last week, who manages a feed/seed store in Georgia. I asked her why they sell plants WAY before it is time to plant them. She replied…”Well, that is when people come in the store wanting them. They don’t ASK if this is the right time to plant them. All they know is that Wal-mart carries plants at this time of year, and they get upset if we don’t. So, we provide them.”
I don’t think these are necessarily good business ethics, but, there you have it! It truly IS a conspiracy.
Comment by Holly (October 6, 2005 @ 10:32 pm )
I totally sympathise with you, Amy, only I”m in the opposite climate zone… NONE of the gardening books (the ones that everyone always says, “you have to have *this* book”) deal with Alaska–WAH. What wasted money…
I soooo flopped my garden this year, despite all my work. Well, I did get potatoes. That, and a few snow peas. Your $25 strawberries, my $25 snow peas… Oh well. There’s always next year (and I’ve got a plan–muhahahaha). Plus, I had a whole new understanding of the Genesis 3 (soil) curse this year by summer’s end (as I surveyed my barren dirtfield–I mean, garden).
Comment by molly (October 7, 2005 @ 1:20 am )
PS–Racoons, deer, that’s nothing. In Alaska, you have to build your garden fence over 6 ft. high, because of the MOOSE.
lol…
*hey, it’s so cold up here, we have to brag about something…*
Comment by molly (October 7, 2005 @ 1:22 am )
Amy, my dad is notorious for his brown thumb, but he perseveres anyway. He can’t help it — it’s in his blood. But one thing that he grew this past summer that DID turn out well were his strawberries. However, he didn’t plant them in the ground. He bought strawberry plants in containers from a grower near Winter Haven. The containers are ring-shaped and fit around a pole so that you can grow several in one small area. He did take them back to Northwest Florida, but he gave several to my sister who lives near Orlando and hers produced pretty well also. Maybe this will be a solution to your strawberry woes!
Comment by Tracey (October 7, 2005 @ 8:17 am )
I am of the opinion that racoons are little demons dressed in fur. They are plain mean! They probably WATCHED you tend those watermelons and snickered to themselves, “Just wait….”
Comment by kerri (October 7, 2005 @ 8:12 pm )
The only way we have been able to learn successful gardening is that our town is very fortunate to have wonderful, progressive, helpful organic gardeners, complete with a great gardening radio show. I ask every detail about what they do and then copy it. Each area is so different, you definately need local experts to guide you! We are big on using natives.
Thanks for sharing your gardening adventure! I am sure Texas is a bit easier than Florida. Although we have limestone for dirt . . .
Comment by Annie (October 7, 2005 @ 9:52 pm )
Oh Annie, Please, please, PLEASE
Comment by Mrs. DMG (October 8, 2005 @ 9:06 pm )
Oh Annie, Please, please, PLEASE
Comment by Mrs. DMG (October 8, 2005 @ 9:06 pm )
ok, try again. Please tell me you are in Amarillo:) Gardening and me don’t seem to mix and with 5 children, I have to learn how to garden if I want us to eat healthy someday!
In Christian love,
Mrs. DMG
Comment by Mrs. DMG (October 8, 2005 @ 9:08 pm )
My MIL homeschooled/homesteaded for several years in rural Florida. Nothing ever grew in her pine needle infested sandy garden. Though, there was quite a pretty green swatch over the septic tank.
I’m sticking to a couple of small herb pots on the lanai.
Comment by TulipGirl (October 9, 2005 @ 5:23 pm )
I’ve been thinking recently about BB guns, too! We have 2 huge pecan trees that put out tons of pecans. The only trouble is the squirrels get to them before they are even ripe! All we ever get are half eaten green pecans that they toss away. GRRRR!! I looked on the internet for “squirrel repellant” and found Fox Urine for sale!! Apparently, this frightens away the squirrels since foxes are their main predators. It only lasts until the squirrels figure out it’s all a sham, though. I figure that to be a couple weeks, tops. In the meantime, my son is getting good with a sling shot!
Comment by Connie (October 9, 2005 @ 5:47 pm )
Forget the BB gun, get a bazooka or a handy 12 guage. Coons are pretty smart. Yearly they come in and raid our corn. Last year they left a thank you note. This year they left a threatening note. “Plan corn or we take three fat hens”. We didn’t plant any corn this year as you can guess. Be beyond organic and compost the dead varmit. But, first salvage the skin for coonskin hats. Have a home school unit study on Daniel Boon and teach the kids how to tan and sew. Now, I have never done this but it has to make for a good blog story.
When the coon’s see me coming with a shot gun they never run. They just visit with each other “Oh Eddie, the farm wife’s trying to look threatening. We better leave before she hurts herself. We can raid the patch tomorrow.”
Comment by KS Milkmaid (October 9, 2005 @ 8:38 pm )
We live in SW Florida, and with a degree in agriculture, my husband is in charge of the garden. I just do the cooking! =) Our biggest problem is rabbits and fox squirrels. My dh plants sunflowers and marigolds to control bugs, but the rabbits and squirrels like the sunflowers, too. We planted broccoli one year and it just wasn’t worth it. It is very hard to determine the right time to harvest broccoli before it starts to flower and turn bitter. Zucchini and yellow squash do well, so do pole beans. As for roses, I have one rose bush that was given to me about 14 years ago that I all but neglect and it produces the most beautiful roses. The woman who gave it to me had a nursery at the time and she said the trick with roses is the root stock. Make sure you buy roses with good root stock…like fortuniana.
I wanted to let you know that after I read your post a while back about the free WordPress blog, someone immediately came to my mind, so I let her know about it…and she was the winner! If you have a moment to encourage her, that would be great. She is a homeschooled graduate who is now in college. I wrote about her here. Blessings ~ Patricia
Comment by ~Patricia (October 9, 2005 @ 8:50 pm )
Ooops! I just realized I forgot to provide the link to Tiffany’s blog…here.
Comment by ~Patricia (October 9, 2005 @ 8:54 pm )
Amy, I’m in Tampa and growing is even worse here, I think. The sand is horrible. I’ve tried so many plants but everything dies on me. The only thing that I’ve got growing nicely is a palm that sprouted up in the frontyard on its own. I potted it and then later on planted it in the backyard and it is pretty tall now. I also have a mango tree that sprouted in a friend’s yard and I planted that it in the backyard, too. I had mail order strawberries in hanging bags and they only produced a handful of berries and then died. My impatiens were doing nicely and then suddenly got a disease and died. My hedge roses have barely grown - after three years. My potted planted look pretty good. Maybe I should try pot gardening.
Comment by Mrs. Happy Housewife (October 10, 2005 @ 7:12 am )
We’ve lived in Florida for over 25 years and I am still unable to shake the northern gardening ingrained in me. This year is a bit better and I’ve had success with several things. We moved to a place with wonderful soil.. just north of Plant City. My daughter has the MOSt INCRFEDIBLE roses.. and does nothing except chop them back occasionally.. big long lasting amazing smelling red roses and orange/yellow ones. The first year here we planted a garden in Zephyrhills sand. NOTHing grew except the watermelons (and they weren’t planted, they were volunteers from our ’strip mulching’. I’ve learned to grow what I see around me. Finding a local nursery is a wonderful thing and at least here, they do carry the plants at the right planting time. One of the most wonderful things I’ve found is a gardening site.. http://www.gardenweb.com and the forum “Florida Gardening”. Wonderful group of gardeners who are successful .. will answer any question you have joyfully… and there are gardeners in any area. I love the threads where they talk about what they are planting at what particular time. Some are organic gardeners, some not.. some mulch, some don’t- but its the MOST wonderful source of information on gardening in Florida that I’ve found.
Now that I have a huge yard, great soil, shade, sun, etc, I’m too tired to do much with it… lol. I did have a huge supply of grape tomatoes from one plant in a pot on the front porch last year. Planning on LOTS more this year.
Oh - as far as the raccoons and deer go, we lived on top of a mountain in maine with an incredible garden. An old countrywise friend and Organic Gardening magazine gave us lots of suggestions for foiling them. The only things that truly worked were 1. a bag of spoiled onions from a grocery store.. We were told to lay them on their sides around the garden.. animals do not like rotting onions.. and 2. a 2-3′ high chicken wire fence.. laid on the ground, not upright, around the garden. Animals can’t quite see it and are afraid of it. Try just a small path and put something really delectible within your enclosure and see. It kept deer and coons out of everything we grew. Our only problem was Donna our cow who would escape the barn occasionally and race down to the turnip patchin the garden.
I wish you luch and look for more on your progress here.
Comment by Linda (October 18, 2005 @ 9:19 am )
[...] calling to me after a fruitful and productive day. (Among the hopefully fruitful, I found strawberry plants!) No, there weren’t any trips to the fair, exc [...]
Pingback by Amy’s Humble Musings » Things are lookin’ spiffy (November 12, 2005 @ 10:56 pm )
I lived in Fl. most of may life then about 6 years ago we moved to Ky. We had 5 acres with oak trees on it, my husband and I would rake the piles of leaves and put them inthe garden, then he would till them in, we also at one time planted clover as a cover crop plus we also put animal manure on it kept tilling these in and before we left, the soil was growing plants a lot more healthy which required less dusting for bugs.etc.
Comment by carrie blake (January 18, 2006 @ 10:51 am )
I live in Mid-GA and have a good garden growing, my strawberries that were plentiful a few days ago have disappeared. I have so many oaks and fruit trees that the squirrels have a grand ole time around my yard. I don’t want to kill them if I don’t have to but I suspect they are the guilty ones for robbing my strawberries. I have seen cottontails also but usually at night. I know birds dont eat the stem but usually just peck the good parts out. So I suspect rabbits or squirrels. Before I begin losing more fruits I need a good barrier to keep the varmits out and my hard work prospering. Is the chicken mesh really the best solution? I will lay it out around the garden where I also have peaches and pears and want them to live longer than the one inch diameter green variety. Why can’t these animals be happy with all the acorns? Also I used the rotted leaves but also includes many acorns so I think the little digging in the rows are the squirrels also. Help anyone? Thanks
Comment by Paul Klose (May 18, 2006 @ 9:37 am )
Paul,
I know that companies sell netting for strawberries, but I don’t know if it works or not. Worth a try! It really stinks to have your hard work eaten by the critters. What burns me up the most, however, is when raccoons tear into everything but then don’t eat it.
Comment by Amy Scott (May 18, 2006 @ 7:01 pm )
Dear Amy,
My wife put several short carnations in hanging planters and they appear healthy and filled with buds; but they never open. They just seem to become dry. She is an avid gardener in her own way, but these have her confused.
Can you give me some suggestions on how to get these flowers to open their blooms.
Since she speaks very little English (she’s Russian) and I would sure like to help her out. Before she came to the U.S. she had very little opportunity to grow things and for the most part, she has every thing imaginable growing nicely inside and outside, including the selections she chose for her vegetable garden.
Thanks,
Dick Carlson
Comment by Dick Carlson (June 8, 2007 @ 3:17 am )
Amy, if you’re still reading:
I’ve been in South Florida (Lee & Collier counties) for 30 years now, gardening most of that time. Yes, it’s incredibly difficult! Whenever possible, go native! Native plants may not be showy, but they take care of themselves, attract birds & butterflies, and I can ignore them. I do plant more troublesome tropicals, but if..oops, I mean WHEN they die, I still have lots going on. Some of the Stoppers have lovely scented flowers in spring that remind me of mock orange. When all else fails, put it in a pot, it helps considerabaly.
I’m not sure where in Florida you are, but I do grow black raspberries here…teh variety Mysore, that I purchased at ECHO in North Ft. Myers. They have lots and lots of plants that do well here, mostly fruits/vegs, but also useful platnts like bamboo. Thye are an aid organization that helps people in third-world countries feed themselves, but they sell to anyone. GREAT organization. Check out their site: http://www.echonet.org/
Don’t give up, you CAN garden in Florida despite sand, squirrels, woodpeckers, deer, raccoons, snails, lubber grasshoppers, etc, etc. There’s always orchids…hang ‘em in a tree & forget ‘em!
Comment by Mary Ann (September 4, 2007 @ 5:44 pm )