Moment of weakness
Thursday, Feb 16, 2006
What is thy only comfort in life and in death?
That I, with body and soul, both in life and in death, am not my own, but belong to my faithful Savior Jesus Christ, who with His precious blood has fully satisfied for all my sins, and redeemed me from all the power of the devil; and so preserves me, that without the will of my Father in heaven not a hair can fall from my head; yea, that all things must work together for my salvation. Wherefore, by His Holy Spirit, He also assures me of eternal life, and makes me heartily willing and ready henceforth to live unto Him.
How many things are necessary for thee to know, that thou in this comfort mayest live and die happily?
Three things: first, the greatness of my sin and misery. Second, how I am redeemed from all my sins and misery. Third, how I am to be thankful to God for such redemption.
~ The Heidelberg Catechism
Being assured of the greatness of my sin and misery is no problem right now. It wasn’t too long ago that women were grateful to make it through childbirth alive; now we all just want to make it through without too much pain. Times have changed. The good news, if it can be called that (since the Apostle Paul tells us that dying is gain) is that I’m not going to die—at least not just yet. The bad news is that I feel like it.
I walked out of my midwife’s office this morning with a diagnosis—posterior baby. I use the term “diagnosis” knowing that it is a little dramatic, but I’m allowing it considering my condition. After reading on the subject, however, I’ve concluded that maybe my gloom is justified. Enter Eeyore.
As I processed what she was saying, I knew that the midwife was putting things in the best possible light. It’s kind of like the dentist saying that you’ll feel a “little pinch.” I read a lot on the subject of childbirth, but I tend to skim the subtopics that don’t apply to me: gestational diabetes, c-sections, RH compatibility, and now, posterior babies. All I could process initially was the (extensive) knowledge I had on the subject: posterior = bad, bad, bad.
I came home and told my husband the reason why things weren’t moving along and why they probably never would (he already knows how to sort out my hyperboles), and so he did what all responsible husbands do. He googled it. After a couple minutes of reading, he got up and left his laptop open. I stole a peek, to which he admonished, “Don’t read any of that stuff.”
“That stuff” that he was trying to protect me from was the following knowledge: Mothers of babies in the ‘posterior’ position are more likely to have long and painful labors, generally requiring increased use of interventions. The fact that posterior babies generally don’t engage means that it’s harder for labor to start naturally, so they are more likely to be ‘late’ or require an induction. “Braxton-Hicks contractions before labor starts may be especially painful [tell me about it], with lots of pressure on the bladder [no comment], as the baby tries to rotate while it is entering the pelvis.” Many homebirth sites stated the need to transfer the mother to the hospital for interventions, including but not limited to: forceps, vacuum, pain relief due to fatigue, and cesarean sections.
You know you’re in trouble when even the Natural Childbirth sites employ the phrase, “tremendous pain.”
Having had long, painful labors four times already when everything was going in my favor, frankly, pops my balloon. If I didn’t know better, you could have almost heard me say a few weeks ago, “I am woman; hear me roar.” (Kidding, folks.) I am ready. I am knowledgeable. I can do this. Now, I’m thinking about calling for a home health nurse to come put in the epidural now.
Sure, in labor, most all women have their moment of weakness. But they usually save it until the end. Being an overachiever, though, I like to get a head start on things. My husband calls me a “pessimist,” but I prefer to refer to myself as a “realist.”
Now, of course, it’s entirely possible that the baby could turn, but seeing as how he’s been comfy like this for several weeks now, I don’t hold much hope. Additionally, in my reading on the subject, I learned that there are ways to turn the baby. Holding your breath and crying for a bowl of Bing cherries isn’t one of them.
Now that it seems that my hopes for a more natural birth are dashed (there are other factors, like a positive Group B strep test), I rest in the fact that this pain I am in now cannot last forever. Because I am His, I have comfort now and ultimate comfort to come. Not to be trite, but what is my only comfort in life and in death (and in pain)? That I, with body and soul, both in life and in death, am not my own, but belong to my faithful Savior Jesus Christ.
I am His and He is mine! Yes, there are worse things than posterior babies. Like cancer, chronic pain, and watching your children suffer. But there is no worse tragedy than not belonging to Jesus Christ.
Now, if I can just hold on to this. Or else the shrinks will diagnose me with something else entirely.
Loved with everlasting love, led by grace that love to know;
Gracious Spirit from above, Thou hast taught me it is so!
O this full and perfect peace! O this transport all divine!
In a love which cannot cease, I am His, and He is mine.
In a love which cannot cease, I am His, and He is mine.His forever, only His; Who the Lord and me shall part?
Ah, with what a rest of bliss Christ can fill the loving heart!
Heav’n and earth may fade and flee, firstborn light in gloom decline;
But while God and I shall be, I am His, and He is mine.
But while God and I shall be, I am His, and He is mine.
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Just to echo what you know is true: God will give you the grace and stamina to do whatever it is you need to do. Good job talking to yourself NOW about the truth of things! I was a natural childbirthing mama for my first two and then had my world turned upside down when my twins came 2 months early. One of them was transverse; an emergency C-section was done after my water broke naturally and labor had started. And God was so good. He gave the grace and strength and . . . yes, even joy through that harrowing day. I once heard that we need to TALK (”My only comfort in life and death…”) to ourselves instead of LISTENING to ourselves (”I can’t do it, I don’t want this”).
Thank you for a good reminder of what is real.
Comment by covenantmama (February 16, 2006 @ 10:29 pm )
Covenantmama,
If only my self-talk was so benign (”I can’t do it; I don’t want this.”). I’ve been heard yelling (so I’m told), “I’m breaking and I’M GOING TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!”
Comment by Amy Scott (February 16, 2006 @ 10:35 pm )
God is bigger, Amy! I know that you know this, but just as the Amplified version defines “Selah” in the Psalms…[pause and calmly think of that].
Ps 46:9-11
9 He makes wars to cease to the end of the earth; He breaks the bow into pieces and snaps the spear in two; He burns the chariots in the fire.
10 Let be and be still, and know (recognize and understand) that I am God. I will be exalted among the nations! I will be exalted in the earth!
11 The Lord of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our Refuge (our High Tower and Stronghold). Selah [pause, and calmly think of that]!
AMP
I will be praying for you…
Heidi
Comment by Heidi (February 16, 2006 @ 11:16 pm )
WAH!!!!!
Praying for you, girl. Let us know when it’s time, so we can do some serious knee work.
Love,
Your Alaskan Doula
Comment by molly (February 16, 2006 @ 11:20 pm )
Hey Amy!
My husband, a PCA pastor, is always reminding me to “preach the gospel” to myself. It is a good discipline and is commanded for us to think about “such things.”
I just wanted to encourage you - my first two babies were born “sunny side up.” Both were in the posterior postion and never turned. My labors were not particularly long 3 and 2 hours respectively. I was able to have my first completely naturally (Although due to a full hospital I was laboring in a supply closet which had a bed, monitor, and a folding chair for hubby. Upon my begging for an epidural I was told, “we don’t like to do that in here.”) Pushing was longer than #3 and #4 but I didn’t know about any other positions other than laying in the bed on my side. I think that the “well worn path” had something to do with the shortened push time for them as well.
Laboring with the baby in the posterior postion has some special considerations and largefamilylogistics.com blog had quite a bit of info. on posterior postioning in the month of Dec. 2005 which you might want to check out. She writes from a natural bent.
Keep praying for that sweet mercy the Lord promises to give you in abundant supply.
Anna
Comment by Anna Peterson (February 16, 2006 @ 11:24 pm )
I’ll pray for you. Soon you will be holding that baby in your arms.
You probably get plenty of advice..But..Getting down on all fours for periods of time can encourage a baby (via gravity) to turn. It worked on my last one.
Comment by kerri (February 16, 2006 @ 11:46 pm )
I’m sorry Amy - the website is http://largefamilylogistics.lifewithchrist.org/ not dot com.
Anna
Comment by Anna Peterson (February 16, 2006 @ 11:54 pm )
Oh, Amy, I’m so sorry to hear your bad news. I wish we could all gather round and lay hands on you and pray for you right now, for this baby to turn…and for mercy and grace for you if he doesn’t.
It is so disappointing to have to give up your hopes for an ideal birth. I’ve had to be induced several times because of blood incompatibilities with several of my babies–it was better for them to get out early, but such a disappointment for me (ya only get to do this a handful of times in your whole lifetime!). But the disappointment faded just as the memories of pain do and I only know I have this wonderful child now.
Keep trusting in the Lord–and listen to your midwife; she’s surely handled this before–and you’ll get through this one too!
Grace and peace to you–
Jeanne
Comment by At A Hen's Pace (February 17, 2006 @ 1:04 am )
Grace and mercy…
I’ll pray.
~Karen
Comment by Karen (February 17, 2006 @ 1:08 am )
Amy, I heartily say “Amen!” to the sentiments of the wonderful Heidelberg Catechism, but I also say “amen” to Kerri’s advice. Let me add a bit more to it:
Get down on hands and knees at least 3 times daily, putting a pillow under your head to be a bit more comfortable. Stay with head down and bottom up at least 20 minutes. That may help your baby turn. Also, my midwife had my husband pray and tell that baby to turn, and it worked!
Don’t count your baby before it’s hatched. You may get the birth you hope for still. As my friend Cindy recently noted, childbirth seems to get more scary the older you get and the more children you’ve had. But the anticipation is the worst; when you are in the midst of it, you will be resting on God’s provision.
Read my Top Ten Birth Ideas for some other things you might try to get through labor.
Hugs,
Carmon
Comment by Carmon (February 17, 2006 @ 2:02 am )
I too will pray for you, Amy. My son was also diagnosed as a posterior baby, and he lodged in the same place for almost a month before he was born, never budging. I did the exercises to try to make him turn, but he still didn’t budge. When I finally went into labor, he seemed to turn on the way out and was born without any problem. Of course, I do not know what you will face, but I do know that the diagnosis itself does not mean that all will turn out badly. We’ll pray for all to go well! God will be with you.
Comment by Hannah Im (February 17, 2006 @ 2:59 am )
Amy,
I see that you have had a few children already so the posterior diagnosis may not be as awful as you first thought.
In subsequent pregnancies the head often doesn’t engage at all before labour starts, which also means that there is much more scope for your baby to turn, or simply be born face up.
You have much more reason to be hopeful than if this was your first pregnancy! It’s worth doing the excercises some of your other commenters advised.
My one bit of advice is to remain as upright as possible during labour, and at all costs avoid lying down in bed if you can,especially flat on your back, It’s probably the worst position for a labouring woman!
Comment by Sheena (February 17, 2006 @ 4:20 am )
Hi Amy
I’m a fairly new visitor and I wanted to say I love your blog. I also wanted to let you know that I’m praying for you and your family. Please do let us know when the time comes so that we may earnestly pray for you.
Comment by Vikki (February 17, 2006 @ 7:48 am )
Hi, Amy,
I just wanted to second (or third) that things may not be as bleak as they seem. Two of my babies born at home were posterior, both times because the placenta was anterior, so we knew they would not be turning. Both labors were quick, 5 hours and 3 hours.
I did have a good deal of back labor. Laboring on my hands and knees, and putting my husband to work pushing on my back helped me deal with the worst of it.
FWIW, I was 43 the last time I had a posterior baby.
Don’t let yourself worry that it will be worse than it might. My first “sunny side up” baby turns 18 next month, and I forgot it all long ago. Well, I forgot it all long enough to have three more babies in the meantime. My last posterior baby turns 4 next month.
Comment by Vicki (February 17, 2006 @ 7:58 am )
Hi Amy -
I’ve been reading your blog for a long time, and it is always such an encouragement! I hope I can return the favor and encourage you today. I am 32 weeks pregnant with Baby #5, and my last three have been posterior. My first son (second pregnancy) was born just 4 hours and 20 minutes after the first contraction, I had an epidural with this one, so I didn’t feel much anyway. My second son was also posterior and was born in 3 hours 30 minutes, by far my easiest delivery even without an epidural. (It really was an easy delivery. I was 8 cm dilated when I arrived at the hospital, and still coping quite nicely!) I had an aching lower back for three weeks before he was born, but no back labour during labour & delivery. He did have quite a bruise on his head, though, which I always assumed was from facing the wrong way. : ) My third son was also posterior, and again I had a backache for three weeks or so before he was born, but his labour was the shortest of all (I went from 2 cm to 10 cm in 30 minutes), and he turned at the last minute. I’ve never pushed for more than 20 minutes and I’ve never experienced back labor during contractions.
So, from my own experience posterior doesn’t automatically mean torturous. : ) Hopefully your experience will prove the same!!
I’m assuming you’ll be a little too busy to post often when Baby Scott arrives, and I’ll miss your posts. Looking forward to the big announcement!
Comment by Charmin (February 17, 2006 @ 8:38 am )
I love the Heidleberg…so personal! I am NOT my own…! Wonderful.
We are praying for that baby to turn! And peace for you and hubby. You belong to the one who created and redeemed you! What a wonderful thing to know, keep preaching to yourself.
Comment by Margaret in VA (February 17, 2006 @ 8:44 am )
I read your blog often, but I’ve never left a comment before. Today, I’ve decided to offer a few words.
My first baby (born almost seventeen years ago) was posterior. The labor was long, hard, and unproductive. Even the constant drip of pitocin couldn’t make my nine-pound bundle of joy move an inch.
The doctor was patient and let me try for probably a lot longer than was necessary. My daughter was finally delivered by c-section, to my great relief.
We all develop our own ideas about ideal birthing experiences. When those ideas don’t work out, we tend to beat ourselves up and consider ourselves to have failed in some way.
At first, I was devastated that I had ended up with a c-section. Somehow I had failed.
Eventually, I realized the truth of the matter. Giving birth was not about me. It was about ending up with that little baby, safe and sound. The baby was so much more
important than the birth experience.
Maybe your baby will turn. Maybe he won’t. God will give you the grace to get through the delivery either way. Keep remembering that He knows the end from the beginning. He has a plan for your little one, and that plan includes all the details of the little one’s birth. His plan may not line up with anyone’s idea of the best way for things to happen, but we know without a doubt that His plan is the right plan.
Comment by Northwriter (February 17, 2006 @ 8:48 am )
Amy, I’ll be praying. My son was born post. and he weighed 9′13. You can do it. I know you can. I had horrible back labor but that was the only difference in that labor compared to the others. Ditto on the hands and knees advice. We tried that in the hospital during James’ labor. It’s worth a try.
You can do this with God’s strength. He will give you hope and endurance and what ever you need. You will be holding that precious baby soon. He will come out!!
Comment by Janet (February 17, 2006 @ 9:31 am )
How I love your insights. There truly is no greater comfort than knowing that we are His and that His plans are so much greater and wiser and glorifying to Himself than our’s are. I will be praying for you during this time for His grace, wisdom, and peace.
Comment by Amy (February 17, 2006 @ 9:39 am )
Amy,
Don’t panic!
I had two who were posterior. They were also both 36 week babies, but they were completely fine–7 lbs and needed no special care.
With my first posterior birth, the labor was not particularly hard at all. When it came time to push him out, my midwife inserted her hand and had me push while she rotated him. This was uncomfortable, but by no means unbearable.
With my second posterior birth, I asked if I could have a shot of xylocaine at the “point of entry” (or departure, depending on how whose point of view you are considering). I am still thankful for the xylocaine shot, because it turned out to be by far my most difficult birth. The baby was so high up when I went into labor, I could feel her head bulging out on the right above my hip bone. I couldn’t believe that I was actually, really in labor. When I got to the hospital, I was already nine centimeters, but the baby was still very high, and I had no urge to push. When I finally started pushing, nothing happened, so my midwife had me try climbing into some different positions to try to readjust things. Finally I pushed the baby out, and she was not only posterior, she was also a facial presentation (nose came first, instead of the back of the head–try putting on a turtleneck in that direction, and you will relate to the problem). My midwife just stood there and said, “Wow. If it had been anybody but tough old you, that would have been a c-section.” But the labor itself was only from 9 pm until 4:58 am, about nine hours, actually my fastest delivery. I had some serious hemmhoraging issues afterwards, but that isn’t likely to happen to you, that was just a theme with my body and childbirth.
You’ll make it through. Posterior deliveries aren’t that bad. Ask for a shot of xylocaine. I do not understand why they don’t offer this routinely. It gives you more confidence to push if you know it won’t hurt when the baby actually comes through your body.
As a fellow pessimist, I mean realist, here is a verse for you: “Have mercy on me, O God, have mercy on me, for in You my soul takes refuge. I will take refuge in the shadow of Your wings until the disaster has passed.” Psalm 57:1 (And I think the “disaster” refers to the pain, not the birth itself, just to clarify.)
Comment by ruth (February 17, 2006 @ 9:40 am )
Oh, Amy, I’m sorry! I’ll pray that your baby turns around in a hurry. Do a google search for how to TURN a posterior baby. There are ways to encourage him/her to shift position - and a good midwife can help you help the baby shift, even during labor. Hang in there - it might not be as bad as it sounds.
Comment by Emily (February 17, 2006 @ 9:54 am )
Hi Amy,
Have you ever tried drinking Red Raspberry Leaf Tea? I tried this with my 4th. I really wanted a drug free labor. It might be too late for you with this one, I think technically you are supposed to drink it every day the entire pregnancy. I started around 5 months sporadically and at 6 months every day. You can make it an iced tea or a hot tea.
Basically this tea will make your body more effective. The labor will be on average 4 hours start to finish and the contractions are supposed to be more effective. And it is supposed to make it less painful. All of this was true for. I questioned whether I was really in labor, the contractions were so mild. But being as it was my 4th and my labors were usually quick 6-12 hours (I know not as fast as a lot of people), I figured we better get into the hospital. The contractions did not hurt like contractions normally do until I started to push. My labor was 4 hours and 1 minute.
It was by far my best labor and delivery. And it was so different from the others that I know it was the raspberry tea. Good luck!
Jennifer
Comment by Jennifer Wilcox (February 17, 2006 @ 9:56 am )
Amy: Will be praying for you and your familiy!
Comment by Susanne (February 17, 2006 @ 10:04 am )
Amy,
I”m so sorry about the posterior thing going on. BTDT. I have had a number of babies born in the posterior position. While I would have preferred them to have been mailed to me or some other non-physical delivery, I did survive. Without drugs. Yes, it hurt, but the babies were (and still are) worth it. FWIW, my anterior babies hurt just as much.
And mine all came 2 weeks early.
just trying to help buck up your courage,
Pam, mommie to 11 (all birthed by me)
Comment by Pam (February 17, 2006 @ 10:23 am )
I’ll say a prayer for you Amy. I also echo the sentiments and advice of those who say that you need to talk to yourself, even preach the gospel to yourself. The psalmist did that very thing, “Why are you downcast, o my soul?” Psalm 42 I think. Anyway, place your full faith and trust in the Lord, not in your expectations. I remember my first delivery not wanting to have drugs and by the time I got to pushing I was so anxious to push my son out that I had a really bad tear. Having an epidural with the next two helped me to control my body a lot better. I remember secretly looking down on those who had epidurals. What a terrible thing for me to do, and God has long since convicted me of that. I know you want a natural delivery, but sometimes we just have to let go of our desires and expectations. After all, having a baby is not a contest to see who’s the strongest.
Blessings. I loved the hymn at the end too.
Comment by Meredith B. (February 17, 2006 @ 10:48 am )
Hi, Amy. Real quick here, because you already have enough birthing story comments to read through- all 5 of my children were posterior and that translated into very intense back labor. I’m sure you know this, but have hubby buy a can of tennis balls and they will be your best friends during labor because the counter pressure they provide equals RELIEF!! Also, I didn’t find that posterior babies mean delayed labor process. As a matter of fact, my labors were frighteningly rapid.
I know you know this, but God caused your baby to be posterior, and through this, you are going to glorify Him. How can a laboring woman glorify God? Sounds strange, right? But if I know you at all through your posts, I know you will glory in your Redeemer because you were created to glorify Him and enjoy Him.
The Lord bless you!!
Comment by Sherri W (February 17, 2006 @ 10:49 am )
Hi Amy
I have been reading your blog for a while, but have only posted once. You are blessed that you have found out the baby is posterior before your in full blown labour, I know that sounds silly : ) I had two babies at home with just my Mom (who used to be a midwife) and my DH, however, with my third I was going to the doctor for checkups but she never mentioned that the baby was posterior. So anyways I was in full blown labour ready to push and the baby was not coming down and due to the fact that I had no previous knowledge of this, I panicked. I ended going to the hospital and they used forceps : ( Now I am not telling you all this to try to worry you, I am saying this because as I look back; if I would have known ahead of time I could have prepared myself (an advantage you have), I also know that if I just would have stayed calm everything would have been fine !!! I don’t talk about this often (I still have not gotten over it)
So I will be praying that the baby does turn. If he doesn’t, just prepare yourself mentally, stay calm and use the positions that the women above used
Comment by Amatthia (February 17, 2006 @ 11:41 am )
Dear Amy,
Be careful you are thinking on things you know to be true.(from Phillipians 4:8)
-from a mom with 3 out of 6 posterior who was shown very plainly during the #6 pregnancy and birth that God is in control and while it was hard at the time the experience is precious to me now. (baby is 13 mos. old on Sunday)
Comment by Anonymous (February 17, 2006 @ 11:59 am )
Hey Amy -
My first baby was posterior too. I was able to have her naturally though. She turned at the LAST minute. Our whole church was praying for us. It was awesome. What I wish I knew: Get on your hands and knees and ROCK back and forth. I know that sounds odd, but it DOES help the back of the baby start to move around. Do it often!! If the baby is still posterior in labor, keep doing it. I will pray for you. Keep the upward attitude!!
Comment by Stephanie (February 17, 2006 @ 12:26 pm )
Amy, I read an article recently on Vitamin C used to reduce pain in labor. I am not sure about birthin no posterior babies, but I do know several women who have used high doses of Vitamin C during labor with WONDERFUL results. There is also a WONDERFUL book out there that I highly recommend called A GUIDE TO MOTHERHOOD. I wish I had read it before my first pregancy. It does tell what to do for a homebirth, but has mostly information about pregnancy, labor, and after birth. It is a very short book, but I feel better prepared for this pregnancy/delivery than I have my other three. If you want that Vitamin C article, email me from my website and I will forward it to you. You might also be abl to google it (not sure). Blessings!
Comment by Paula (February 17, 2006 @ 2:31 pm )
Hi Amy,
I have had 3 c-sections with large babies and have never experienced anything even close to a natural child birth, not even a contraction. I so desire more children and more natural child birth but the Lord has seen to give me three beautiful healthy children the more difficult way. Remember to “be anxious for nothing..” and “think on those things that are true.”
I went to the dentist terrified this morning convinced that they were going to have to do lots of painful work and when I got there they didn’t even give me a shot. A little painless drilling and I was all better. All that worry for nothing. All it did was cause me to sin.
God is good and he knows how we suffer. Remember how much he suffered on the cross and it will make your pain seem so little.
I hope things go well and I will be praying for you.
Love in Christ,
Kimm
Comment by KC (February 17, 2006 @ 5:02 pm )
Amy,
You’ll be in my thoughts and prayers.
Comment by Julana (February 17, 2006 @ 5:53 pm )
I have been reading for some time and never commented. I would like to tell you without any more scarey stuff , so I will let you know that my aunt Janet has given birth to many a little one and the only birth she brings up all these years later is her son John’s. He was a posterior baby. The only one she encountered. She had tremendous back pain and her tailbone was shattered , so she says. She rarely mentions the other 11 children’s births so I figure this is like you said.. Bad, bad,bad. Please consider pain relief via anything they will legaly let you have. My aunt says she surely would of died in that particular birth if not for the pair of scissor’s her husband dutifully placed under the bed to cut the pain. I would try this, it couldnt hurt could it. Be brave. Brave people are fearful but forge ahead anyway. You can and will do this, what one woman can do another can do. Jesus will be standing beside your bed through it all. You will feel him and his comfort this I know. Bye Caroline
Comment by caroline (February 17, 2006 @ 5:57 pm )
During my first birth, after I pushed for two hours, the doc said my baby was oppie. I thought that was awful cruel to say seeings how they could only see the top of his head and his ears had’t made it into the world yet(Really it was OP). I think it was a way to say he was posterior or sunny side up. I won’t tell you how it ended.
I love your humor during challenging times.
Praying for you!!
Comment by KS Milkmaid (February 17, 2006 @ 7:46 pm )
Amy,
13 years ago I gave birth to a posterior baby. I had a hospital delivery with a licensed mid wife. My midwife was reluctant to even tell me the baby was posterior. During the labor and birth she kept (oddly, I thought) asking me how my back was. I replied that it was no more painful then most 30 something mothers have. The in between contraction pains were so painless we joked and the actual contractions were no different then my other seven births. I must tell you I have been reluctant to comment. But there must be others who have had births similar to mine and looking back I can honestly say her birth was actually LESS painful than the others had been. So hang in there and don’t expect the worse. Will be praying.
Comment by Mary (February 17, 2006 @ 9:07 pm )
My sister had two posterior babies and one of them was also breech. Her posterior breech wasn’t even discovered by her midwife until she was well into labor. Happily she was able to have both babies without any real problems other than the discomfort of back labor. After my sister had her posterior breech she was running around singing, “I am woman! Hear me roar!”. Enough so that some of us wanted to put a sock in it, but were too polite to do so.
Know that you are in my prayers and that however this child comes into this world, God is with you and your baby. And, yes, I still think Jubal’s a great name.
The name is Hebrew for “ram”, but Jubal was he was “the father of all such as handle the harp and organ” according to Genesis. His name is where we get the word ‘jubilation’, ‘jubilant’, ‘jubilee’. Somehow the name seems even more appropriate now. God bless you! (((hugs)))
Comment by Firefly (February 17, 2006 @ 9:41 pm )
Amy,
Just stay in the moment. Don’t borrow from the future.
Easy to say. Hard to do.
Comment by Julana (February 17, 2006 @ 9:44 pm )
Amy, still praying for you to have the best labor & delivery yet. My last baby was posterior - hands and knees postion with firm pressure and massaging on my lower back helped. He turned before he was born, we were both fine.
You can do this! You can do this!
Comment by Rebekah (February 17, 2006 @ 11:51 pm )
My best birth, was a home birth, and that baby was born posterior. She was also about 2-3 weeks early. My midwife, a close friend and my dh were there. My friend will still say how she remembers Jessica coming out and seeing her face right away and how sweet it was.
Yes! Think on lovely, pure and truthful things. God can get you through this and have a very good experience.
Love, Loni
Comment by Loni (February 18, 2006 @ 12:37 am )
Prayers and peace that passes all understanding.
Comment by Faith (February 18, 2006 @ 12:42 am )
More encouragement for you Amy. My 4th child was a posterior baby born sunny side up and weighed 10 pounds, 5 ounces! The labor was about 7 hours. It wasn’t easy at
the end, but he came out just fine! You’ll do great! God knows and is watching out for you. We saw a great heartbeat on baby 6 today!!!
Comment by Nancy (February 18, 2006 @ 1:14 am )
Amy,
My husband was reading your blog and mentioned this post to me. I have two suggestions for you. I hope they turn out to be useful.
First, is a website called Spinning Babaies. It can be found at this address, http://www.spinningbabies.com . It is NOT a Christian website to my knowledge but you may find something very helpdful there.
Second, is the homeopathic pulsatilla. I have heard that this homeopathic is supposed to help a posterior baby turn.
I pray that all goes well for you with your birth. Rest in the Lord and His faithfulness!
Grace & Peace,
Leah ~ homebirthin’ mama to 2 precious boys and a baby on the way!
Comment by Leah Terry (February 18, 2006 @ 8:14 am )
All these blogs replies- and you know you are loved, Amy! And then there is your LORD who will walk with you as you (to quote Eliz Elliot) “do the next thing”. My ninth was posterior and I didn’t know it until she was born “sunny side up”- but i did reflect and say “Oh, THAT is what ‘back labor’ is” !! His strength is sufficient in our weaknes; we are’ saved through childbirth’- because in that weakness we must draw totally upon His strength… wish I could remember that in the day to day abiding!
Much prayer for your peace to pass understanding…He is able
Comment by Carrie (February 18, 2006 @ 11:09 am )
My goodness Amy - I guess baby talk really does elicit the comments. I have 5 children - #2 born posterior and #4 face first . (I don’t know the medical term for that one) Back labour is no picnic but not unbearable. I found that pressure applied to my back during the pains really helped. I’ll be praying for you and checking back to see how things are going. Isn’t it a comfort tot know that not a hair of our head can fall without His knowledge and care.
Comment by Islandsparrow (February 18, 2006 @ 11:09 am )
amy,
i have only read a few comments but i am so sorry to see that some of the ladies have given you info that will only worry you more. I know that when i am worried and scared the last thing i want to hear are peoples horror stories. us women (including myself) need to learn that it is better to withhold our experiences, or someone we know or have heard about, unless it is a comfort to someone. God is good all the time and he will see you through this. in the meen time i wouldn’t be reading too much about labor and delivery right now. you have 4 kids so you know what you are doing and you will be fine.
love in christ, kimm
Comment by KC (February 18, 2006 @ 11:27 am )
Amy,
after skimming the comments, I don’t have much more to add. I can say that with my one birth, the baby turned posterior about three days before (grumble) and the midwives did not believe me. I was also Group B strep positive, but refused antibiotics and an IV (until it was necessary later, the IV not the antibiotics, but that’s another story) My labor wasn’t terribly long, although probably longer than it would have been and I was able to go natural as well. The only reason I have “proof” that he was posterior is that they put a monitor on his head to check him during the pushing phase (fears of placental abruption, the other story) and it turned all the way around.
Hands and knees would be my advice. And a sweet husband, but you have that covered
I will pray for you.
Comment by gwen (February 18, 2006 @ 11:36 am )
Hi Amy,
Don’t despair yet. My first baby (9 lbs. 10 oz.) was posterior. He turned when I was 5 cm dilated and came out fine. I won’t lie to you though: the labor was very painful. However, I was laboring in a birth center with great midwives. With my hubby and the midwives and the TUB!!! I was able to have a totally natural birth, no drugs, no tearing, no problems. You will need to mentally prepare yourself for more back pain, and have hot rice/bean bags and a hubby to press on your back ready. Plus very supportive midwives, and a TUB TUB TUB!!!
My second baby was breech until week 37. She turned around right in the nick of time before a version. She turned down into anterior and was born easily. Much less pain than my son. However, I was sure I’d need a section. I never thought she’d turn like that. I should have trusted God, shouldn’t I have? The story of my life.
I know how hard it is with a posterior baby, but with your uterus being so roomy, the babe may well turn before labor starts or soon thereafter. I highly doubt the babe is engaged; my daughter never engaged until 6 cm!! and it was only my second. With your fifth, you won’t have an engaged baby, which is good. Lots of hands and knees, and baby might turn!
And find a place to labor with a tub, hopefully a Jacuzzi style one. I wouldn’t have done it drug-free without that.
God bless! I hope you are more trusting than I was.
Comment by Jill (February 18, 2006 @ 12:06 pm )
amy,
i hope that the message you are getting from all the above is that we are all praying for you; that there is NO way to predict how your labor/delivery will go–longer or shorter b/c of the baby’s position now; that God knows all of it and will care for your little one and for you through all of it. the Evil One is the one who desires to add to your worry and concern right now. he wants you to think that God can handle most things but surely NOT a POSTERIOR presentation delivery! that is something that God can’t manage:) think of all the time you might be worried over that. there is plenty of time for that to change. if God can care for the grass of the field (which is so temporal!) surely He will care for both of you. i say these words to you NOT b/c i have this part of life totally under control but b/c i have wasted so many days in needless worry over things that either never happened or didn’t happen the way i tho’t they might. these scriptures have always been very comforting. the (sometimes) horror stories of others are not always so. as a nurse, mother and pastor’s wife (who often feels like a mother to many of our members) i can tell you that your delivery will be unique and you can NOT with extreme accuracy, predict how your delivery will go based on your baby’s position now. (i think that came thro’ from the many stories.)
“Let the peace of Christ rule in your heart…” col. 3:15
“Now may the Lord of peace himself give you peace at all times in every way.” II Thess. 3:16
and one of my favorite benedictions:”Now may the God of peace who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, by the blood of the eternal covenant, equip you with everything good that you may do his will, working in us that which is pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory forever and ever, Amen.” Heb. 13:20-21
will that add to your arsenal against the evil one? i know this is not new information. hopefully, it is encouraging.
with love, martha
Comment by martha (February 18, 2006 @ 1:49 pm )
Amy, Would you consider homeopathy? I’m sure that my second (I have 3, aged 3 3/4 and under) child was posterior at the beginning of labor. My contractions began and were very close together but mild and not progressing much — a sign of a posterior baby. My midwife (home water births with all 3) recommended the hands and knees position and through our own research my husband and I added the rememdy pulsitilla. Within moments of taking the remedy, my contractions stopped, and didn’t begin again until the next morning when they began and progressed as expected with a 2nd baby. Just a few more cents to add to all the others!
Sincerely, Meagan
Comment by meagan (February 18, 2006 @ 1:53 pm )
My son was born “sunnyside up and overbaked” my doctor joked when he came out. I’ll spare you the not so pretty details, and no, things didn’t go as I had hoped (I, too, was group b strep positive). But after 3 children, not one of them went that way I had hoped for, the first being a c-section, that others being a VBAC. While it is disappointing, there are certainly worse things that could happen other then our hopes being dashed about the kind of birth we experience. And to be honest with you, I didn’t find much difference with his birth~ except I went a lot longer on the pitocin before getting an epideral~ then with my second daughter’s birth, and she was “normal”. I’d still like to have a “natural” birth with this one, I’m at peace with the fact that I may get an epideral again, if needed. With both vaginal births they were needed, or else it would have been a c-section again.
My advice is while it’s good to know the facts on different situations and what can occur because of them, ask God to give you a peace on whatever happens, before it happens. Yes, you may need an epideral, that’s okay. You’re a strong woman and you’ll be fine. And so will the little one.
Jennifer
Comment by Jennifer D (February 18, 2006 @ 2:01 pm )
I’m praying, praying, praying. Hope to read the good news soon!
No posterior delivery stories……just a 10 lb. 2 oz. daughter (my smallest was 9 lb.) with a drug-free delivery. She came out so fast the doctor almost dropped her. *yikes*
Kimm: Amen to that!
Comment by Susan in Elk Grove CA (February 18, 2006 @ 4:05 pm )
Aw Amy, I’m praying for you, honey.
Comment by Holly (February 18, 2006 @ 4:10 pm )
Amy,
Sending lots of gentle hugs to you!!!
Get on those hands and knees and rock!!!
My firstborn turned while I was in labor. Dittos on the tailbone massage.
I think you deserve a full blown pregnancy massage…let your dear husband know!
Comment by Julie (February 18, 2006 @ 4:25 pm )
Hi Amy,
Here is a website that has a lot of good information on turning the baby.
http://www.homebirth.org.uk/ofp.htm
I’m not sure if it will work, but I am giving it a try.
Jasmine
Comment by Jasmine (February 18, 2006 @ 10:38 pm )
Í didn’t read all the comments and I am sure they are saying the same thing I am about to, but I just want to give you hope, that babies do turn, my son was postier until moments (literally) before birth, once I relaxed (with the help of a shot of nubain, not what I wanted for my birth, but less invasive than an epidural and it did the job after about 36 hours of labor) he flipped and was born 40 minutes later.
Comment by Amie (February 19, 2006 @ 8:53 am )
My third born was sunny side up. I pushed for 2 hours and then he turned and came out within 2 minutes. Not my favorite labor, but it was do-able.
Remember, God is our strength. In my most recent labor, I was pushing and kept ‘hitting the brick wall.’ I told everyone between pushes that I couldn’t do it–of course they always say you are doing it! But anyway, I prayed silently at that point–God, you know I can’t do this–please do it for me! So the next push–I could see the brick wall coming and that instant where I usually got stuck–there was this extra little burst and then my baby was out! So God CAN do it for us!!!!
Comment by Lyn (February 19, 2006 @ 10:33 am )
You are in my prayers today. Your children are so blessed.
Comment by Leslie (February 19, 2006 @ 5:51 pm )
I’ll be praying for you. My first was posterior, and the last 12 hours were exhausting and painful, *BUT* I MADE IT THROUGH, by God’s grace, with no intervention at all. No pitocin, no epidural, no nothing except for something “to help me sleep between contractions.” (NOT a good thing. Do not be fooled by sweet-talking nurses!!! Being exhausted is far better than sleeping for a couple of minutes only to be jerked awake by a contraction.)
I don’t know if my doctor was a ditz or just not being straight with me, but I had NO IDEA the baby was posterior until she was born!!! I had no clue why it was so long.
Anyway, you will make it, too, honey! God is your strength!
Comment by Ronda (February 19, 2006 @ 9:53 pm )
Well, add a bucket of soapy water to all that hands and knees rocking and the floors will look great!
I love the first Lord’s Day of the Heidelberg. Somehow, the phrase “that I….am not my own” takes on additional meaning while pregnant, no?
While hard to bear I am sure, it is a blessing to me to see where your comfort lies and the lovely comments of other readers.
Comment by Megan (February 21, 2006 @ 1:35 am )
Hi I was in hospital for 6 weeks before my baby boy was born prem at 32 weeks. I do feel for you and I can see were you are comming from being three hours away from your family and you have other children to think about is hard but with extream resiliants we are women and all in all we were made to cope with these situations. My son is now 7 months old and at a five month level but I am sure no matter what life throws at us now we will deal with it splendidly Hope all worked out well for all of you
Comment by emma (February 13, 2007 @ 7:27 pm )
geez, what is with all you natural childbirth people?! God gave us the knowledge to develop medicines to ease childbirth, so take the friggin things!!! You don’t have to continue to be a martyr and give your body undue pain. Just take the epidural!
Comment by Anonymous (January 31, 2008 @ 10:25 pm )