Old-fashioned preachin’
Thursday, Jun 15, 2006
During the quiet hour in our house today, I listened to this message by evangelist Voddie Baucham. All I can think to say is, I can’t believe he got away with it. If you are pressed for time, at least listen from 25 minutes until the end. He speaks on the state of the Church and how to close the generation gap.
Citing the current American birthrate of 1.9 children per family, he tells a group of Southern Baptists pastors: The French birthrate of 1.5 children per family, for example, is not only below the replacement rate, it is overshadowed by Muslim immigrants, who average six children per family. “Which means in two generations France will be a Muslim nation by sheer numbers alone,” Baucham said. “Why? Because they want prosperity more than they want children. And it’s the same for us.”
Further on, he states that the unwritten rule among Southern Baptists and others is two children per family: “We despise children in the Southern Baptist Convention. You don’t believe me? Find a woman who has six or seven children and follow her into a Southern Baptist church and watch the way we mock her. Watch the way people who don’t even know her come up to her and say, ‘Haven’t you guys figured out how that happens yet?’”
I especially appreciated his take on the Biblical qualifications of an elder, particularly being addicted to wine and ruling one’s household: “We’ve taken one quality and raised it, and the other quality and lowered it…” He calls us to repent and adopt a Biblical view of children, youth ministry, and church leadership.
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Children are despised just about everywhere in our society. Today my 15-year-old and I were in the bank when the teller mentioned having eight children. The older gentleman next to me was incredibly rude. He just went on and on about how he would never want that many children, wouldn’t want to be around that many children (the conversation started concerning insurance, so it was about older children). Right there in front of my sweet daughter!
Thanks for bringing it up.
Comment by Rebecca (June 15, 2006 @ 5:30 pm )
Whew! Preach it!
Comment by Heidi (June 15, 2006 @ 5:57 pm )
I heard quite a bit of nervous laughter from the audience. Some hard hitting points to be sure. Thank goodness for pastors who are still standing for the family.
Comment by Angela (June 15, 2006 @ 6:50 pm )
I can’t wait to get this tape!
I am one of those women who left the SBC because of this exact issue. Only I started getting the flack when I was expecting Child #2.
I wonder what the reaction has been in the SBC about his preachin’?
Maybe I’ll ask the in-laws: MIL is a minister in the SBC we left. (Don’t even get me started on that one.)
Thanks for the reminder to get the tape. I meant to do it after hearing about him on MOMYS.
Comment by Julie A (June 15, 2006 @ 7:13 pm )
I heard this message a few weeks ago. Awesome, inspiring and I’ve been directing everyone I know to that link! Thanks for posting it!!
Comment by Angie in AL (June 15, 2006 @ 7:13 pm )
I have to say that I disagree based on my own personal experience. I think that Christian Evangelicals (of which I am one) and the members of the SBC church in particular I was a member of tend to be “breeders.” When I had “only” one child, I was by far in the minority. I would honestly say that 3 was about “normal” and I knew several families that had 4 - 6. Interesting.
Comment by Jennifer (June 15, 2006 @ 7:33 pm )
Oh Amy….now you make me sad
I really wanted to hear Voddie at NCHE and I skipped his session! I need to listen to this. I’m SBC and right now I’m really appalled at some of the things going on in the SBC. We’ve even discussed becoming non-denominational because of the doctrinal issues that every church denomination seems to face. But, I’m sure even Non-denominational comes with its own issues.
Man, I wish I would have listened to Voddie!!!
Comment by Lindsey (June 15, 2006 @ 8:20 pm )
We’re not SBC — Stone-Campbell — but we’ve definitely run into the bad attitude. I suffer from long term depression, completely pre-existing and unrelated to having kids. I went to my pastor for counseling, and his solution was to send my kids to public school and not have any more of them.
Not too long after that I had an argument with my husband — again, completely unrelated to the children — and went to church to pray and cool off. When my husband called up there the church secretary told him that since we’re having “problems,” we obviously shouldn’t have any more kids.
Clearly all of life’s problems stem from having children.
Comment by Michelle (June 15, 2006 @ 8:45 pm )
Well, I can tell you that this SBC pastor’s fam is listening and ready to have lots more kiddos! Amazing message and it is neat how when God starts doing something in your heart he often confirms it through something unquestionable like Vodie’s message. Now after listening to that there is no way to say “Are you sure Lord?”. Yay, for plain spoken truth. Pray that not only the SBC but all of the body would “get it”.
Comment by Lovejoy (June 15, 2006 @ 9:09 pm )
Can’t wait to hear it. Thanks for sharing. I sure do appreciate preachers who speak the truth in love!
Comment by Andrea (June 15, 2006 @ 9:09 pm )
That was awesome. I can’t wait for my husband to come home so I can get his feedback. Lots of stuff to chew on - call to have children, the structure of our churches, requirements of church leaders. Thanks for the link.
Comment by MicheleinNZ (June 15, 2006 @ 9:16 pm )
Dear Stacey (comment #2),
It’s hard being so close and yet so far….
Amy, who mailed your package today.
Comment by Amy Scott (June 15, 2006 @ 10:10 pm )
We’ve only had three but yes, we have been mocked and treated with comtempt by fellow church members (partly because the children are so close in age). Statements like, “What are you, crazy??” or “Haven’t you figured out how that happened?” were common. We would have liked to have more children but had to stop due to health problems. I once read that if Christian families had more than the common two children and those children then follow the faith, we would become the majority group. I believe that my children are my mission field and the most significant opportunity I’ll ever have to glorify God.
Comment by Amy (June 15, 2006 @ 10:55 pm )
re: “We despise children in the Southern Baptist Convention. You don’t believe me? Find a woman who has six or seven children and follow her into a Southern Baptist church and watch the way we mock her.”
I’ve been in a variety of SBC churches all my life. Each congregation had its own quirks, but I have never seen that sort of inconsiderate behavior he describes. Mr. Baucham is correct in condemning that behavior, but it would be nice if he would stop condemning every SBC congregation for the faults of a few.
Comment by hatless in hattiesburg (June 15, 2006 @ 11:22 pm )
Why is it that you folks don’t get that kind of preaching every Sunday where you worship??? Guess I’m spoiled.
Comment by /tim (June 16, 2006 @ 1:08 am )
i think that is so true. not only do people dislike kids, they dislike their own! so few want to take the responsibility of training their children so they send them off to nursery till they are 3 and then children’s chapel till 5. kids are hardly even allowed in church anymore!
Comment by melissa (June 16, 2006 @ 1:20 am )
Sad to say as a former SBCer people often looked at us like we had 3 heads rather than 3 children. I’ve heard comments like those mentioned many times - in and out of church - always more irksome when it was other believers! I used to have at least one nephew hanging around with us too so I have OFTEN heard “are ALL of these yours???” I only have 3 children!! LOL
As a catholic now we seem to be the minority with ONLY 3 children…too old to catch up now
Comment by Deanna (June 16, 2006 @ 2:56 am )
A music minister in our local SB Church had 6 or so kids. (I’m not sure how many, I didn’t know them well.) But I did hear about the following conversation he had with a member of his church. His wife was pregnant, AGAIN, and a lady asked him THE question. “Don’t you know how that happens?” His reply? “Yes, and we LOVE it.”
Comment by Laurie (June 16, 2006 @ 7:55 am )
I love Voddie, he speaks it the way it needs to be said. When he preaches, he fills the house. I’ve attended church at two churches where he was on staff and know him and his family- they are the real deal and beautiful to behold. He’s recently started a new church in the Houston area with two pastors who are also the real deal, Paul Renfro and Matt Bullen, they are at Grace Family Baptist Church (A family integrated church like the one he came out of). If you ever have a chance to hear Voddie speak, don’t miss it, he indeed is a strong and convicting speaker.
Comment by Scott Head (June 16, 2006 @ 8:15 am )
We lived in West Michigan (Dutch population) for a few years and we were quite the minority with only 4 children. The average number of children was between 6 and 8.
Once, when we were expecting our 4th child, someone (from the south) said, “Get a TV for your spare time.” Incredible.
Comment by Sherri W (June 16, 2006 @ 8:41 am )
I’ve heard Vodie before, and I knew this in my heart. But I needed to hear it again TODAY. Thanks for posting the link. We just found out number 4 is on the way and I’ve been struggling with the reactions we’ve already gotten and those I know we will get. Perfect timing!
Comment by Lora Lynn (June 16, 2006 @ 9:23 am )
Thank you Amy! It is always encouraging when you see someone at the top that “gets it” and even more so when they are teaching it to others.
Comment by Melissa (June 16, 2006 @ 10:47 am )
Thanks for this recommendation Amy. I just happened to catch it while my wife was reading your blog & we listened together last night. I’ve linked it on my blog as a result! GREAT STUFF!!
Just to help hold the balance here for all of us who are “Amen-ing” Voddie - we must remember that having a large family doesn’t necessarily make us more spiritual than others. Just as some “2.1 children” families frown upon the larger families, it’s just as easy for those of us with larger families to judge the hearts of those with fewer children.
True, many are just too selfish, or faithless, or materialistic (I never struggle with those sins
). But we have no idea of the motives behind others who have few or no children.
My dear bro & sis-in law built a 3000+ sq ft, 6 BR home, so they can FILL IT with children, and after several years of tests, have all but determined that they might not be able to have children. We can never know.
I am as guilty of this as anyone…thinking that I’m more godly because I have four children. Truth is, amongst the excitement, there has been some evidence of anxiety, lack of faith, worry, etc. in my own heart after my wife told me she was pregnant during the last two.
So, thanks for allowing me to preach to myself here! I love children, and want to fill my quiver full, but perhaps one lady said it best - “Some of our quivers just aren’t as big as others.”
Comment by Aaron S. Wilson (June 16, 2006 @ 11:00 am )
I’ve been lurking aorund at your blog for the last few weeks, and I just had to comment on this. THanks so much! I’m going to share it on a youth mesage board I’m on…us youth need to hear this too. =)
Comment by Heidi (June 16, 2006 @ 11:49 am )
wow.
I’ve only listened to the first half and the numbers (I’m a “give me the numbers” gal.) are just earth shaking. Unfortuneatly, it doesn’t surprise me. {sigh}
I’ve been to Baptist churches where if you had “only” 3-4 kids, you were treated as if you weren’t doing your parental duty before God. Then there’s the others who are like he spoke of. As someone whose been in a lot of different denominations & congragations, the general sentiment is more then 1 or 2 children is a horrible thing. It’s sad, but true.
At our church, which is an independent Christian, there is a mixed sentiment towards our family of 4 little ones. On one hand there are a few in the congregation that think 4 is a huge number and readily make it known. On the other hand, our kids are so loving, generous & well behaved, even the skeptics love them and realize we have something ’special’ going on.
When anyone comments about our family size, I just smile, chalk it up to being unaware of being cluelessly unaware and pray for them. Sometimes I comment, other times not. It depends on the person & situation. In either way, I’ve been used as a catalyst, but ultimately it’s God’s job to change their hearts. I’m only the messenger.
Comment by Janel Messenger (June 16, 2006 @ 12:34 pm )
We’re expecting our 2nd, and hope to have more. I have to agree with Aaron, that having lots of children doesn’t necessarily make you more spiritual, but I do think that being married and being against having children is not Biblical. (I am certainly not talking about people who cannot–that must be God’s will for their lives.) Isn’t itamazing how there are certain topics that are just taboo for many people, Christian or not, but they don’t mind being blatantly rude in their comments about the number of children you have? (I admit, I used to be a scoffer of young mothers and large families, but have turned from my evil ways
)
Comment by Michelle (June 16, 2006 @ 1:21 pm )
I am looking forward to listening to Voddie’s sermon this evening. I do want to speak up for a sweet and wonderful SBC near us that love children, have family integrated services, bible study, and really encourage me every time we visit. Everyone is so accepting there and really have arms open wide to little ones. A lot of the families are around 5 children, some more, some less. The key though, is that the members are gracious and avoid judging NO MATTER how many children a family contains.
I am always encouraged when I read your blog Amy, and so appreciate how you lift your eyes up after even the hardest days. It reminds me to do the same, and not to give in to complaining and being discouraged.
I will be praying for those that I know who haven’t yet figured out what children are — BLESSINGS.
In Him, Meagan
Comment by Meagan (June 16, 2006 @ 2:17 pm )
I’m off to link to this real quick. And I’m nervously considering sending it on to my pastor - whom I love. I certainly don’t want to be pushy about this with him - that’s not my place at all - but I do believe he needs to hear this…
Comment by Shannon Miller (June 16, 2006 @ 2:44 pm )
“Aaron, that having lots of children doesn’t necessarily make you more spiritual, but I do think that being married and being against having children is not Biblical. (I am certainly not talking about people who cannot–that must be God’s will for their lives.)”
Absolutely! My grandparents were never able to have children of their own. 8 pregnancies, no children. This led them to adopt my father, a troubled child who grew into a troubled man. One might think their family was “cursed,” but God was just putting them in the right place to be a saving grace for my mom, my brothers and me. Now they have 3 grandchildren and soon to be 6 great-grandchildren.
Many great and important people struggled with infertility in the Bible. The most obvious being Sarah! How many children we will receive is a matter of God’s will. Whether we are willing to receive them and recognize them as blessings is a matter of ours.
Comment by Michelle (June 16, 2006 @ 2:58 pm )
Thanks Michelle, for further clarifying my point. I think that was one of the key points to Voddie’s message as he painfully described how society frowns on children. The key here is, I think, being willing to receive.
But I have to ask a question to anyone reading this. Seems like I’m all on board with something (large families) until I hear others get on board too, then I want to pull back and play the “devil’s advocate” - if you will. So here’s my question:
Does God command parents to have children? If so, where?
And before anyone “defaults” to “be fruitful and multiply” (Gen 1:22), be careful that we’re not using poor hermeneutics. I’d be interested in anyone’s input here.
Comment by Aaron S. Wilson (June 16, 2006 @ 4:23 pm )
Aaron
Well, they wouldn’t be parents if they didn’t have children could they, so they can’t in theory, be commanded to do so! Hee hee. Just teasing. It is an interesting question. I would think that as God designed men and women to be able to pro-create through their marriage relationship that it is a biblical and desirable goal, and seems to be the natural course of things.
I do however, think that people should take seriously the decision to become parents (in process of seeing someone turn their backs on three little ones all under 4 years old)
I do firmly believe that the Lord has different plans for each one of us and that we have to guard against assuming that every one will feel the same about the calling to be a parent. Haven’t really helped much have I?!
Comment by Susanna (June 16, 2006 @ 5:07 pm )
Be cautious. My husband is a faithful SBC pastor. He LOVES and encourages large families. We don’t have a youth group and believe children should learn to be together in worship. I’m sure there are a lot of the same. I’ve been to all kinds of churches and most have a tendency to not be an integrated family church. As a matter of fact, if there is no nursery or youth group, people don’t come back.
Comment by Cheryl (June 16, 2006 @ 5:22 pm )
Hi Amy,
this is the first time I comment on your blog, I enjoy reading it for a few monthes now, but I have read something completly false on it right now.
I am french and I live in France, we have right now an average number of 2.1 children/women, not at all 1.5 !!!
This is the highest level of western europe (equal with Ireland).
There are about 5 billions muslims people in France (in a 60 billions people country)
We know that by the second generation muslims people start to have the same number of children than other french people.
We have a high rate of fertility in France because of the welfare system (a lot of allowances and very cheap daycares system).
I just wanted to tell that this exemple is false, even if I agree with what you reported !
Blessings
Muriel
Comment by Muriel (June 16, 2006 @ 5:28 pm )
Great message
Can someone tell me what the Emergent Church Movement is?
Laurie, I love the response to “Do you know why this happens? “. The response “Yes and we love it”
You made me laugh, Thanks
Kariann
Comment by Kariann (June 16, 2006 @ 7:06 pm )
Muriel,
Regarding the French replacement rate, I found several different #’s, which I suppose depend on what sources you use for your statistics. I found this interesting tidbit from a quick google search:
Note however that some European countries have gradually increasing fertility rates, most notably France which fertility rate has increased to 1.85 in 2005. Nevertheless even France remains below the 2.09 children/woman fertility rate of the US.
A regional breakdown of the USA shows that New England has a rate similar to most Western European countries and the South and border states have fertility rates considerably higher than replacement. States where the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has a strong presence, most notably Utah, also have higher-than-replacement fertility rates, especially among the LDS population.
Regardless, I think the point Baucham made stands the same. Here is a list of projected 2006 fertility rates. I recall seeing a news spot on Italy, which this list would confirm.
Regarding the discussion on the SBC, Baucham’s generalization is a fair one, and I linked it because I thought it was applicable to the broader Church. But still, yes, a generalization whose mileage may vary depending on your geography. He’s the SBC preacher, and my point wasn’t to criticize a particular denomination.
On another observatory point, I’ve found that the issue of children is a hot topic on the internet (as is all things emergent…just do a quick search). Feel free to discuss (even though I don’t believe I’ve ever brought up the topic as my point), but please be charitable in doing so. I’m not saying anyone hasn’t, but another commenter’s point of humility is a descent one. Blessings to all this Friday evening.
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Thank you for your answer Amy,
, but I often read false things about France of the net(for example, what they said on CNN and Fox TV about riots in France last november), and a lot of generalisation between European countries.
)
I didn’t meant at all to be rude
I know some European countries, such as Italy, Spain and Germany, have a very low fertility rate, but in France we are very proud of our fertility rate (we are always proud of everything aren’t we ?
I like very much to discuss with American mothers, but sometimes I have trouble with my lack of vocabulary in english and I can be misunderstood…
Blessings,
Muriel
Comment by Muriel (June 17, 2006 @ 11:12 am )
I did read recently that the French have been working at increasing their fertility rate, and that it is now the second highest in the EU. I wonder though, what the numbers look like if you seperate native French from Muslim immigrants?
Comment by Michelle (June 17, 2006 @ 1:43 pm )
Considering that Christianity doesn’t allow husbands to have four wives, I think we’d better look at other ways of increasing the Christian population besides birthrate. I think Osama Bin Laden has something like 40 brothers and sisters.
I have been in SBC churches all my life and have been around families large and small. I’ve never really seen the animosity towards either. But there is much weight on the doctrine of the priesthood of the believer in SBC churches that I’ve been a member of, so perhaps that is why I’ve never really seen it as an issue.
The church that I grew up in is looking at a combined Sunday school with parents and children. I do believe that in the past parents thought they were “doing their part” if they made sure their kids were in Sunday School and church and Wednesday night youth and choir. Now the church has to help all homes (with either 1.2 or 10 ten children) to be the primary place where Christ’s message is taught and lived and practiced.
Comment by Leslie (June 18, 2006 @ 8:34 am )
I’ve been hoping to hear this message, after hearing about it a while ago.
We attend a fairly family-friendly non-denom church, and have attended others in the past, but I still get comments from “good church people”. Exact quotes:
“What kind of water have *you* been drinking?” (when I was pregnant with my second)
“You have too many children” (while I was chasing one child and holding the other) For pity’s sake, they don’t even outnumber my arms yet!
“Oh, I’m so sorry! Since this one [the second child] is a boy, you’ll have to try again for a girl, you poor thing!”
) Little do they know that I am LONGING for another baby, and have been for months now, and it’s very hurtful and frustrating to hear such things. (Anytime, God! ;))
(I got one of the above comments today in church, actually
And even though our pastor’s blended family includes 7 children, he’s not averse to teasing and mocking large families.
I agree that we need to be careful judging motivation. Right now we dont’ look quiverfull, with only 2 children. But honestly, I’ve never known a large family to look down thier noses at us, even before they learned that we share the same convictions. Neither do we shun those who choose birth control. Generally, what gets our goat is when we get “attitude” from others, and see that thier “attitude” is born out in being “child-free” or stopping at two, especially if they hit the lottery and get a boy and a girl. It’s the attitude we detest, not the people themselves.
Comment by Margaret (June 18, 2006 @ 9:34 pm )
I loooove Voddie Baucham! Heard him in Raleigh, too! I am so encouraged to see this being adressed not only in the large SBC, but across racial lines! Keep it up, Amy! God bless!
Comment by Margaret in VA (June 19, 2006 @ 6:43 am )
Amy, thank you for your blog. Thank you Aaron for your balancing points. I have one four year old child. My husband and I have longed for more children. We hope and we pray that the Lord will bless us with more children of our own. Most people assume that once a couple has one child that they can chose to have as many children as they want. Infertility can happen any time. Our challenge is to be content and obedient. It is very hard when you are surrounded by large families whose favorite things to talk about are their large families.
I am planning to homeschool. Does anyone have any advice for me as a mother with one very out-going and people loving boy? He talks about wanting to go to school where he can play with children.
Comment by Faith (June 20, 2006 @ 9:32 am )
Our new assistant Pastor’s wife spoke at our ladies lucheon back in May. She mentioned having a friend who had 9 kids and she said, “Not me. Two’s enough. If I had that many kids I wouldn have gone out behind the barn and shot myself.” I was shocked and very saddened by her comments.
Comment by Robin (June 20, 2006 @ 9:34 am )
Forgot to mention that I have 7 children!
Comment by Robin (June 20, 2006 @ 9:35 am )
At my SBC church..we are the one of the smallest families with only 2. I would say the average is 3 and there are plenty of families with 5, 6, and seven children. Then again, we are not a typical SBC.
BTW, Voddie Rocks.
Comment by The Ohio Guy (June 20, 2006 @ 10:32 am )
Muriel, Your English is better than my French.
Comment by Amy (June 20, 2006 @ 5:03 pm )
Faith - find out about homeschool support groups in your area. My brothers and I were homeschooled yet we never lacked interaction with other kids, through various homeschool group and community activities.
Comment by miller_schloss (June 21, 2006 @ 10:55 am )
Amy - thanks so much for linking to this. I had heard about this sermon a while back on an email list I subscribe to, and I looked and looked online but couldn’t find a transcript or an audio file. I was so excited to finally be able to hear this wonderful message! I had to keep myself from shouting “AMEN” and “PREACH” at my desk. : )
Comment by miller_schloss (June 21, 2006 @ 2:19 pm )
I just found a place where you can download the mp3 of Voddie’s sermon - for you mom’s who rarely have 37 minutes in a row to sit & listen. :o) Just right click here and select “Save Target As” to save it to your pc. It’s from this site, which also looks pretty good.
Comment by Aaron S. Wilson (June 21, 2006 @ 3:18 pm )
Yes, he pretty much says EXACTLY what needs to be said, unapologetically. Voddie has always been that way. Ironically, I was introduced as a high schooler to this man’s bold convictions through certain ministries of my “2 kid/family” church’s youth group.
I am so thankful for the ways God works things together.
Comment by Lindsay (June 23, 2006 @ 9:04 pm )
Hi Amy,
I’ve been reading your blog for a few weeks now, and you often make a remark that really blesses and encourages me. Thank you.
This subject has been rising to the surface in my life - with 2 children, I think I am longing for more! I guess we all go through different stages and need to remember that we are (a) works in progress “becoming complete in Christ, (b) not who we used to be - and the people we judge/feel judged by are also going to be different in the future and (c) able to repent of our pride/sin/mistakes/bad habits at any time…
I say this not directed at anyone other than myself - I’ve been on the mouthy end of those “you have how many children???” comments before. Clean my heart, Lord, and lead me on a path of righteousness.
As for Aaron’s request for Scriptural citation of the call to be parents, a Scripture I love is Malachi 2:15, which says: “Has not the LORD made them one? In flesh and spirit they are his. And why one? Because he was seeking godly offspring. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith with the wife of your youth.”
Because we live in a sinful and decaying world, many (Christian & otherwise) couples struggle with fertility - my husband and I have lost two precious children - but that doens’t change God’s intention in establishing marriage as a place to have children and raise them for His glory. However many children we have, whether it be many, few or none biological, we are called to love the Lord, serve the Lord and act as Christ’s ambassadors. In this situation, I see that we are called to put on Christ, to mimic God’s relationship with His people; we are the bride of Christ, and marriage is established to reflect part of God’s character and nature. We’re called to be like Christ, and I believe marriage/parenthood is a place where God can do serious work on our character, making us more like Him.
Phew! Need a blog of my own…
Comment by Ruby (June 24, 2006 @ 10:45 am )
Finally got around to listening to the sermon. Thank-you so much for sharing this link. I know my husband will so appreciate it.
Comment by Michelle-This One's For The Girls (June 28, 2006 @ 11:50 am )
To a woman named Ruthie,
You emailed me tonight looking for this link. I replied but your email bounced back to me. Hopefully, you will see my note here in the sidebar and see that this is the link you were looking for!
Comment by Amy Scott (July 5, 2006 @ 9:58 pm )
I’m commenting on this very late (a year later)! But I love it! I’ve been writing about this as well, just in the last couple of weeks.
He’ll be at a church in our area in Texas, on August 19th. I have a whole category on my Blog, about him
My husband and I really appreciate his courage.
Comment by Leslie (August 10, 2007 @ 12:53 pm )
I can’t wait to send that message onto my anti children parents (who happen to go to a family integrated quiverfull church. hehe) We also go to one, just a different one. And OURS is a member of the Souther Baptist Convention, even though our childrens’ population is 3-4 times the number of adults at times!
Comment by sarah (September 19, 2007 @ 2:52 pm )