Pondering
Thursday, Jul 20, 2006
My fascination with the Amish dates back to my teenage years. Like most tourists, I was intrigued by the romanticism of a pre-modern lifestyle expressed through their dress, barns, and carriages. I love to spot quilts drying on a clothesline, but the people in my community do not own such artifacts. The passage of time has served only to grow my curiosity of Amish life, but my reasons are entirely different now.
I’ll only take a moment to mention the strongest reason for my current interest, and that is this: The Amish merge their daily lives with their spirituality, and there is no defining line where one ends and the other begins. I wish I could say the same of the larger Reformed community, but as a general rule, we are strong on theology and weak on practice. I only mention this critique (1) because it is obvious and (2) because it applies to me. The quickest explanation for why this might be is pretty clear: It is easier to wrestle the doctrine of Particular Atonement to the ground than it is to wrestle my sin nature into submission.
One of the things I learned while reading The Riddle of the Amish Culture is that the Amish rejection of modernity has more to do with careful consideration on the impact it has on community life than it does with the common, hasty assumption of “legalism.” The Amish chose or reject a thing for deeper reasons than we presume. Forget about the conclusions for a moment—which might lead us to different places for different reasons– and consider the beginning. Before we buy our iPods, do we even ask, Why is this good for me?
While I’d argue that the answers are important, it is impossible to answer questions that are not being asked. For myself, I’m learning to ask the questions. Doing something about the answers is the next step.
From The Amish in Their Own Words,
We dress differently and our lifestyle is different, but is that the only difference between the Amish and other churches?
Well, let me tell you a story. Some years ago a group of 52 people chartered a bus and came to Holmes County to see the Amish. They had arranged to have an Amishman meet them and answer some of their questions. The first question was, “What does it mean to be Amish?”
The Amishman thought a bit and then he asked a question of his own. “How many of you have TV in your homes” Fifty-two hands went up. “Now, how many of you feel that perhaps you would be better off without TV in your homes?” Again, fifty-two hands went up. “All right. Now, how many of you are going to go home and get rid of your TV?” Not one hand went up!
Now that is what it means to be Amish. As a church, if we see or experience something that is not good for us spiritually, we will discipline ourselves to do without. The world in general does not know what it is to do without!
(Monroe L. Beachy)
Chad Degenhart discusses a situation where two men who work together finally discover that the other is a Christian. He reflects on this by saying,
“…the Amish stand out in the Christian world as having brought their Christian ethics with them into the business world. While we non-Amish may disagree with some of those principles, we can’t deny that they have religious principles which influence the way they conduct themselves in business. People know that they are Amish - you would never, for example, hear two Amish people saying to each other “I didn’t realize you were Amish!?”
Amish businesses also generally garner respect and their products and services are considered by the general public to be superior in many respects to those of their secular and Christian counterparts. “Amish-built” brings to mind a certain style and quality, while there is no corresponding mental picture for anything which is “Christian-made”, “Baptist-built”, or “Presbyterian-crafted”.
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No, maybe they start to and think the same as me “hmmmmm”
I can hardly leave just that, can I?
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Comment by molly (July 20, 2006 @ 1:35 pm )
Molly,
Could be that I offended everyone off.
Or could be that nobody’s reading it.
Or could be because I just posted it a few minutes ago.
Comment by Amy Scott (July 20, 2006 @ 1:42 pm )
Bulls eye!
I am attracted, too, to their amazing self-discipline and the culture which encourages it. The “community,” too, is attractive, because acting on our convictions would not make us “strange” to our peers.
Thank you for thinking this through out loud for us.
Blessings,
Comment by Brenda on the S OR Coast (July 20, 2006 @ 1:50 pm )
My husband and I began a journey to simplify our lives about three years ago. In the beginning we owned four TV’s. Now we have one that is unplugged and gathering dust. We use our TV once in a while to watch a movie. We’ve been without TV and cable about a year and a half and I have to tell you honestly that I wouldn’t voluntarily hook it up again especially now with a small child in the house. We do question every purchase now. We ask if we really need it, is it good for the environment, does it have too much packaging and is the purchase worth it? Every extra purchase takes money out of our 2 year-olds college fund. The less we spend the more we can contribute each year. I think it’s especially important to be kind to the earth. I have been accused of being a tree-hugger. I don’t mind, I think I’m in good company and I think God has a place in his heart for the tree-huggers. Amy, I found your blog while looking for others seeking a simpler way of life. Thanks for sharing yours.
Comment by Evan (July 20, 2006 @ 2:03 pm )
Living Christianly is much more than paying lip service to a particular set of beliefs. I, too, desire to see the dividing lines of daily life and spiritual life erased. Thank you for bringing this to my attention today.
Comment by Leslie (July 20, 2006 @ 2:12 pm )
I have long done this same thinking, even back to my childhood years as well.
“One of the things I learned while reading The Riddle of the Amish Culture is that the Amish rejection of modernity has more to do with careful consideration on the impact it has on community life than it does with the common, hasty assumption of “legalism.””
The last few years I have also thought about orthodox Jews in the same light. Instead of dismissing these groups as legalists, there is WAY more to their lifestyle choices that we (the Christian community at large) could benefit from learning about. Think about this; you can spot an Amish or orthodox Jew in a store right off the bat because of their dress. Wouldn’t it be great if all of the world could pinpoint us the same way? People should be able to distinguish us somehow from everyone else. Unfortunately I think (my opinion only) we blend with the world way too much.
Comment by Mandy (July 20, 2006 @ 2:12 pm )
I totally agree with your post, Amy. My dh and I were just having a conversation last night about God directs to be in this world and not of it. But, when you are out and about can you really tell the difference between a Christian and those who aren’t? Can you tell the difference in our home lives?
The reason we got into this discussion was because even though our children are very young we have chosen to not let dating being a choice in our family, courtship will be the only option. I am amazed at how many Christians put us down for that. Or that because we choose to not have cable, etc. Or for that matter what about all those who are Christians who put homeschoolers down? I hear comments like that “my children need to go out and be light in the public schools”. I don’t think so!
I could go on and on about this……
Comment by Tracy (July 20, 2006 @ 3:10 pm )
I want to first say that I do understand and agree with your “ponderings”. We should all be asking ourselves the “hard” questions about our consumerism, as well as living out our spiritual life in our homes, as well as in the world. But, this begs the question…In what way are the Amish the hands and feet of Christ? Are we not called to love our neighbors in our home areas, in our nation, and in the world? Isn’t that a HUGE part of living out our spiritual life? Does Christ give us an example of isolation in the world? It is my belief that He did not. Now certainly I protected my children from that which I believed was not God honoring or Christ centered for as long as I felt that they could not begin the process of protecting themselves. Gradually, as they matured both in emotions and in Christ, we allowed them to begin to make their own choices, reigning in when we felt like their choices were bad and letting go…slowly, as they begin to make better choices. They are both grown now…both living in this world as Godly young men, living out their beliefs as God calls them. One in Washington DC, working in Government as a godly man, sticking to his principals and trying to make a difference in how our government works. The other has chosen a more direct route, in that he is directly in ministry, running a program for inner city children. He shared with me just last night how excited he was because a 4th grader had chosen to share some of her home life with him, and he was able to begin the process of pointing her toward living out who she is in Christ, rather than who her peers see her as. Okay, so now I’m bragging, and I’ll shut up. But, these are some ponderings of my own…where do we draw the line between protecting ourselves from that which is evil and being “in the world but not of it?”
Comment by Roz (July 20, 2006 @ 3:20 pm )
boo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo. I love your blog.
I want to run away and join an Amish community. Dh and I talk about it every once in a while. I love the idea of that kind of lifestyle and right now, since you reminded me why I am enthralled with the idea, I am ready to pack up all of my belongings and take off for Pennsylvania. Thanks a LOT!:)
I have made a quilt or two, but I have no clothesline to hang them on (sob). If you want to see the ones I made for my little-girl-to-be, check the Feb. archives of my blog. The pic is in the top post and easy to find. The other one I made is in the April archives and not so easy to find as it is somewhere in the middle. I don’t recommend digging for it (although it did turn out really cute :)) as I am quite wordy and I post a lot of pictures of my kids for the relatives.
Comment by tonya (July 20, 2006 @ 3:40 pm )
I agree we are excellent on theology, yet not so good with practice. What to do? It’s much more complicated than pitching the tv. One of the things the Amish have going for them is the way they stand out in society - esp. with their dress. You look at them and you know they are different. I blend in when I need to stand out.
Comment by Monica (July 20, 2006 @ 3:58 pm )
I, too am intrigued by the Amish. We go to a town in Missouri when I am visiting my parents. The town contains both Menonite and Amish. I asked a Menonite girl what the difference was between the two. She replied saying that the Amish do not believe in being born again. Granted I have never gone into deep study over the Amish culture.
We as society do need to ask ourselves the questions that you mentioned above.
How do we blend our spiritual lives into our “everyday” life?
Good blog, as usual.
Comment by Kelly Bowland (July 20, 2006 @ 4:11 pm )
Hm. On one hand I think that having an “incarnational Christian culture” is very important.
OTOH, it is a little stacking the deck to bring Amish and Orthodox Jews into this - I bet that unless they are already known to each other, that in a “public square” situation they mostly recognise each other by their dress, and secondarily by various externalities that differ significantly from cultural norms (eg always leaving work early on winter Fridays). And there are enough decent “natural-law” non-Christians out there that if every time we encounter a particularly hard worker or straight-arrow ethical businessman, we say to them, “Hey, you must be a Christian!” we run the risk of offending and possibly driving them away from Christ.
Furthermore, the sorts of externalities which make identifying Amish and Orthodox Jews so easy don’t work as identifiers unless (a) virtually the entire community does it and (b) it is different from mainstream culture - and since ours has been nontrivially influenced by Christianity, this is harder for us. For example, it’d be a lot easier to identify Christians at your office if we lived in a country where Sunday, Christmas and Easter are normal business days.
Comment by Atlantic (July 20, 2006 @ 4:50 pm )
Also, I have to admit that my immediate reaction to Chad Degenhart’s question, “Be honest now, when someone recommends a “Christian business” to you, do you go to that business expecting excellence, or hoping that you won’t be disappointed?”, made me think: er, well, when it comes to beers and liqueurs, “monastic” is an excellent recommendation!
Comment by Atlantic (July 20, 2006 @ 4:58 pm )
Roz, My point wasn’t so much, what are the Amish doing wrong but rather, what they are doing right bears discussion, and even futher, perhaps some imitation. The line between being in but not of the world is a topic each generation wrestles with. I think that both extremes can be dangerous, but the U.S. evangelical church doesn’t have a problem with being too separate. In other words, we have the “in the world” done pat; the “not of” needs some work. Now, perhaps you were just meaning to take a few minutes to brag on your sons, and well, that’s alright here.
Atlantic, I always enjoy reading what you have to say. Where have you been? Since the discussion at Not Crunchy fizzled, I’ve missed your dialogue.
As usual, you bring some thoughtful ideas. I believe you are speaking mostly to Chad’s points, which don’t really bear on my larger point. But to the distinguishing feature of Amish dress (let’s just stick to them), I think you’re right somewhat. However, the culture gone astray as it has, a Christian woman actually does stand out when she dresses modestly–with skirts that cover her thighs, with shirts that cover her navel and don’t say “Boy Toy” et al.
I think the world would take notice if all professing Christian women began with this one thing–rejecting immodest clothing. The problem, of course, is that if that was preached, someone’s feelings might get hurt.
Comment by Amy Scott (July 20, 2006 @ 6:01 pm )
I think that most Christians today don’t really want to be different from the “world” They like the “world”.
The other thing is that if you act or dress differently, you are accused of being legalist and phony and judgemental, all of which are much more sinful than immodest clothing or watching pornography.
And I don’t think people get their feelings hurt when the Preacher preaches about clothing, they just get mad!
Well, as my friend says, “Build a bridge and Get over it!”
R
Comment by Rhonda (July 20, 2006 @ 9:14 pm )
We live somewhat near Lancaster County, PA which has a large Amish population. I too have always been fascinated by them and sometimes a bit jealous (but that’s just after I’ve watched too many Little House episodes).
I don’t know much about their faith, but in general I think I’ve always assumed they were a bit off by being so isolated (not in the world/witnessing). But you have made some interesting points - I wonder how many people “convert” to Amish.
It would be interesting to live in their lifestyle for a week - see how their faith plays out in the day to day.
Comment by Carrie (July 20, 2006 @ 9:53 pm )
Carrie,
There is a book on that very thing. I can’t remember the title now, as I read it several years ago. I believe the author’s last name was Bender, maybe. Anyway, the book is about the author going to live for one year with the Amish and her reflections of it as an outsider. I don’t recall the author being a Christian, but I might be wrong on that account.
If I ever had the opportunity to write a book, that’d be it. That’s something I could really get excited about, though I believe the initial acclimating would take the better part of the time.
Comment by Amy Scott (July 20, 2006 @ 10:19 pm )
I’ve been visiting this website for a few weeks now after coming across it by chance and find myself checking back every day now. I really enjoy your blog Amy and appreciate your regular, insightful posts.
I too have been intrigued by the Amish since my teenage years and still am, I have read many Beverly Lewis novels and gained a good knowledge of the Amish through this. From what I understand, the Amish in general are not born again Christians - they think it prideful to assume one’s salvation and are even discouraged from reading and interpreting the Bible themselves.. in Old Order groups especially. But I agree there is a lot to be said for their sacrificial way of living.. I sure don’t know how I would fare without my ‘fancy’ things in life. I would really like to read the book you mentioned “The Riddle of the Amish Culture” and just may have to pick that one up soon.
Comment by Sarah (July 20, 2006 @ 10:41 pm )
Well, we joined a Mennonite church about 5 years ago. There is so much I could say, but I’ll try to be brief. Yes, we have computers with Internet, but that has been discussed at great length. How can we use it for our benefit and spiritual growth while protecting ourselves from the evil potentials? Some in our church use the Internet extensively for their home business. One thing we have agreed upon at this point is that the computers will be in a main room of the home. (Just a side note of how things work for us.) I’ll just leave it at that and not go into the other things that we have agreed upon as a fellowship regarding how we live out our Christian walk.
We are so blessed to be part of a fellowship that focuses much on the heart AND living it out. We have heard of many Mennonite and Amish churches that only focus on the living part and assume that the heart will follow. It rarely works that way.
We have been part of Lutheran, Catholic and Charismatic churches in our backgrounds. They have shaped us and we are thankful for what the Lord did in our lives at those churches. We just felt a pull to live out what the Bible taught on a deeper and more tangible level.
We were good friends with some “horse and buggy Mennonites” that are very much like the Amish we are told. The two families that we knew were wonderful, on fire believers that used every opportunity to tell other’s about Christ when they sold their wares or were in the community. They were part of a community of 7 families. They even acknowledged that their two families were the only ones that actually knew Christ. The others were just living according to the rules of the conference they were a part of. They were witnessing to these other families.
My point is that, what you are seeing Amy, is very valid. We DO need to live out our Christianity. We need to DO what Christ told us to do. But, we need to love the Lord with our entire being also. To assume that just because they look like they are living the Christian walk, that they are Christians is not always a correct assumption either.
As another aside, I don’t see any Biblical grounds for dressing and acting like the world. The idea that we need to be like those that don’t know Christ in order to witness to them just isn’t valid. Jesus absolutely spent time with “sinners”, but He didn’t act like them. They were attracted to Him because He was different. I have had WAY more opportunities to be a witness for Christ since I dress modestly and wear a headcovering…and I also hope that they see the Spirit of Christ within me. People will just come up to me and ask. Praise the Lord for His open doors for evangelism! We are definately not supposed to live in a bubble, but we are not to conform to this world either.
Sorry, it wasn’t brief!
Comment by Heidi (July 20, 2006 @ 10:49 pm )
Having raised boys (and yes, I guess I did just brag a wee little bit, uh oh, now I’ve added lying to my sins!) I very much agree with you on the one thing that we could be doing. (Both men and women) It is very hard to sit in church, when the girls in this very evangelical, reformed congregation, were wearing next to nothing and neither they, nor their mothers or fathers, saw anything wrong with it! I know, because I, and a few other like minded Mom’s, asked repeatedly.
Amy, you are a wonderful writer, and I do so much enjoy your blog. You make me think, and this twice, even made me come out of my lurking and comment. Kudos to you!
Comment by Roz (July 21, 2006 @ 12:09 am )
Molly, have you read any of Beverly Lewis’ work? She writes Christian fiction about the Amish. I have finished the “Abram’s Daughter’s” series and the first two books of the “Annie’s People” series. Don’t know how accurate her depictions of the Amish are, but she does touch on the Mennonite/Amish distinction when it comes to salvation. Basically, the Amish (according to Lewis) feel it is prideful to claim assurance of salvation. For the most part, any of her characters who are “saved” either keep it quiet, or are/become Mennonite.
Comment by The Mommy Blawger (July 21, 2006 @ 2:27 am )
Amy,
The book you read may have been Better Off by Eric Brende. He and his new wife spent the first couple of years of their marriage living in an Amish-like community. They are both Roman Catholics, although that is only mentioned in passing.
Comment by Rick Saenz (July 21, 2006 @ 9:23 am )
When I first started to get or had a desire to become more ’spiritual’ in my life, I attended a PCUSA church which was pretty much the same as a non-denominational, non-doctrinal church. So I didn’t have much direction and therefor I chose to study about the Monistic life.
I had no conception of the differences in the Protestant and Catholic church, monks to me represented very spiritual people and so that’s what I became interested in.
After I discovered the differences between the Protestant and Catholic church and found that I didn’t agree with how the Catholic church interpreted the Bible. After I found out that I was most attracted to the Reformed views of Scripture and doctrine, I decided that the Puritans were very interesting to me.
So, I hope that if anyone is reading this, you can start to picture where I’m going with it.
You see, in the beginning, my concept of being ’spiritual’ or becoming more ’spiritual’ was to become more disciplined in my spirituality.
Obveously, what I believe directed me in this direction was and still is the fallen world that surrounds me.
I’m not going to pretend that our world and or the Western civilization is doing ok. Sorry, I don’t see it that way. When I look around my surroundings on the east coast of the United States, I see wickedness and lawlessness. I’m surrounded by a generation who doesn’t have a heart for God or His truth, who are a God unto themselves. Now, I’m not saying there aren’t any ‘good’ people living around me. I’m not saying that in general, most people try hard to live up to their values and make the world around them a better place. But be that as it may, they are still lost and they still represent our fallen, secular and sinful generation.
So as Christians who have a desire to serve our God and to better our own personal lives and our families lives and who want to further grow in the likeness of our Lord Jesus Christ, we are constantly under attack by the World arround us. We are tried at ever turn, we find that we are tempted and that we constantly fail to live up to God’s holy and righteous standard. We get discouraged and often times we feel like giving up.
So what happens? What happens when we start to pick up our own cross and follow our Lord? What happens when we find out that it’s hard and discouraging and often times not rewarding to live as a Christian? (as a Biblical Christian)
We start to become fed up with sin. We are surrounded by it and it effects our daily lives. Everywhere we turn we see sin. We read about sin in the paper, our neighbors sin against us, our fellow members in our local assembly sin against us, we see sin on TV, hear it on the radio, we are constantly bombarded by a rebelleous people. So what do we want to do? Where does that push us?
Well at first it led me to try to workout my own sanctification. 1. I though that God want’s us to be in the World but not of the World. So that told me that, I needed to discipline myself more to be able to a better Christian. Like the Monks and the Puritans, I needed to keep God’s wisdom in my daily thoughts all throughout the day. Everything I did, needed to reflect God’s wisdom and His Word. After all….. as we of the Reformed faith often like to say…. everything we do we do for the glory of God. I took this sereously and I started to work very hard to becoming more spiritual. I did daily devotions, I went to prayer everytime I had a sinful thought, I dove into ministry in the church, I bought tons of Reformed books and I was in the Word alot.
Don’t get me wrong, all of these things are good and God honoring. Spiritual disciplines are essential for every Christian as is reading and learning God’s Word. It wasn’t what I was doing that was wrong it was why I was doing it. I was doing it becouse I wanted to controll my sorroundings. I wanted to help change everyone arround me and especially myself to lead more God honoring/sinless lives.
Well, this didn’t work. The more I tried to discipline myself the more I found that I couldn’t do it. The more I tried to lead a sinless life or at least the more spiritualy structured I got, I became more miserable. Now, i’m not saying that I live willfully loving my sin, I still hate my sin and repent for it. What I’m saying is that, I’m made a certain way. God made me a certain way and I can’t change that. I can ‘try’ to live an obedient life, I can ‘try’ to be as righteous as possible, but in the end, I know that I’m going to fall. So I found that becoming more ’spiritual’ and more disciplined wasn’t the answer for me. I am not convicted or my conceous isn’t moved by the Word of God to the belief that we should live in a very disciplined, daily regemented lifestyle. I believe that we in and of ourselves are incapable of pleasing God. We are sinners, it is only the Spirit in us that is able to allow us to please and have communion with a holy God. So our righteousness is as filthy rags and therefore it shouldn’t matter how hard we try every day, it should just matter that we continue to have a heart for God and His truth and that we continue to come back to Him when the Spirit prompts us.
So, the more disciplined approach didn’t work, but I was still surrounded by sin and it is still very difficult to live in a fallen World. So what was my next desire? To escape of course. I thought that if I could find a community of like minded, God honoring individuals, then life on this earth would be so much easier. We would be able to please God more in our daily lives and in our corporate worship.
But I kept thinking about Jesus’ words to His disciples, we are to be in the World but not of the World. Wow, this is a hard passage and one that I believe needs to be looked at very carefully by every Christian. To me, this passage tells me that God want’s us to be in the World. That means, that we wouldn’t be as effective reaching the lost if we decided to live apart from society. But what I believe this passage doesn’t tell us is to be totally set apart from Worldly things. We are also told not to love the World, but this doesn’t mean that we can’t enjoy God’s creation. This doesn’t mean that we can’t enjoy ourselves in the World. It just means that we continue to recognise and discern what is offensive to God, what is sinfull and wrong in His eyes and to continue to embrace His truth, holiness and righteousness and to try to continue to uphold His truth in our fallen World.
So I say all of this to say that, yes it is extreemly difficult to live out a truly God honoring biblical life in a fallen World…. no matter what generation. But I don’t believe the answer is to try to shut ourselves away from the World and be a bright light from atop a hill, literally, away from the rest of society. No we are to be a bright light to the secular world where they live, work and play.
Yes we are to try to lead God honoring lives as best as we can, but we must remember that we are all still affected by sin while we are in our earthly tents and that we can’t create heaven on earth. The Pharisees tried this and it just lead to more external rules and more rules. But let’s face it, at the end of the day…..
I guarantee you that the Amish still deal with sin daily in there lives as well. I guarantee you that Amish men still have problems with lust even though Amish women are more modistly dressed. I guarantee you that Amish worshipers are still unsatisfied about their corporate worship, I guarentee you that the Amish still struggle with sinful desires and lazyness with or without the TV. I guarantee you that they still struggle with pride, gossip, idolitry, adultry, stealing and yes even murder.
So I guess we can go back to the old saying…. the grass isn’t always greener on the other side of the fence… even in Amish country.
Sorry for my miss spelling, I know I’m really bad at it and I was too lazy this morning to spell check everything. I’m not the typical blogger who feels that it’s essential to have their grammer perfect to post.
Your brother in Christ,
Dave.
Comment by Dave (July 21, 2006 @ 9:34 am )
What does it mean when people say ‘Reformed’? I am intrigued, albeit clueless, by this phrase as it relates to Christianity.
Comment by Aubrey (July 21, 2006 @ 12:20 pm )
your post stirred up a lot of emotion in me! some may be due to the fact that my nurses’ training wasn’t far from amish country and many of my friends were from that area. there are aspects of amish life that are attractive especially as dave described. there are times when it would be nice to get away from all the “evil” around us and be with people “like” us. the idea of quilts (i love to quilt) and homemade food and wellcrafted woodwork sounds so lovely.
i tho’t your illustration on the bus was a clear one of real life and human nature! how different are they from the people on the bus? the people on the bus all have tv, see negative aspects to it, but aren’t ready to change. the amish are just the same. i’m not sure how much they actually think through their lifestyle on a day to day basis. for most, this is all they have ever known. this is all everyone around them does. think how scary it would be for them to do anything different. they “look” better than we do b/c we don’t think we could live like that but i daresay that in their community, it would not be hard to find an issue that needed changing that they agree needs to change, that they are unwilling to change. it has already been mentioned that the majority of amish are not biblical. their lives are based on tradition. that can not be our standard. it is nothing but a manmade religion if God and scripture is out of the picture.
it is very easy to see a group that looks different from the outside be attracted to it. teaching in scripture re the Church (invisible–local church includes members of the true, invisible Body of Christ AND imposters. It did in Paul’s day, even among the original 12 disciples and there is no reason to expect it to be any different now.) of course, we would like to be able to look at people and instantly distinguish them as christians. evidently, God does not want that! maybe it has to do with the use of discernment in the Body of Christ (vs. cookie cutter christians that all look alike), our need to walk by faith, not by sight and many other reasons that i can’t even dream of. NT teaching is more in the direction of diversity (of gifts, abilities) and doesn’t indicate a sameness about much except our calling–to glorify God. think of the classic comment to Samuel when he was looking for Saul’s replacement for king of Israel. “Man looks on the outward appearance, God looks on the heart.” or the words of condemnation to the pharisees over and over again in the gospels (who must have been recognizable by their dress and all the rules they kept.) basically He told them over and over, –you look great on the outside by all the (manamede)rules you keep, but your hearts are like empty tombs or unwashed cups.– He certainly was against their self-righteousness. As a great rule-keeper, that is something i continue to struggle with constantly. yet Jesus spent much more time condemning the pharisee for the self-righteousness (a sin i underestimated) than those of the tax collectors and prostitutes who were attracted to Him. maybe it was b/c they knew they were sinners and the pharisees didn’t, i find it interesting nonetheless.
as someone who grew up in a very legalistic home environment/bible college where certain hem lengths decided how modest one was, i can tell you that any outward rules don’t change peoples’ hearts. in terms of modesty, it will not be taught from the pulpit effectively. a sermon on modesty will not be effective. how can it be. for someone who has no concept of modesty, how can they learn it in one sermon. few men can teach that. the titus 2 model of older women teaching younger women (no specific ages mentioned) in the context of prayer for them and encouragement (not I–the authority to you the slut). i find that MANY if not most girls and frequently their mothers are woefully ignorant of 1. what really goes on in men’s/boy’s minds. (i only know this to the degree that i have been told:) 2. what the bible teaches re modesty. our job as godly women in a church is instead of being critical of girls who aren’t dressed modestly (according to our standards) is to pray for them as we see them and ask God how He wants us to be involved in their lives to love them, encourage them, build them up. someday, we might even get to talk about modesty, but they have to know we really care for them first. just as jesus came to earth in relationship with His people (very messy!), we must get involved with people…in the church and outside of it. susan hunt gives some great helps in SPIRITUAL MOTHERING re attitudes as well as what to do.
i know i have gone on too long. i am sorry. i had to release all the buttons that got pushed. martha
ps. i wish i were a better writer so i could do this more succinctly!
Comment by martha (July 21, 2006 @ 12:41 pm )
Weeeelllllll, speaking as someone who, just yesterday, had an Amishman challenge my husband & myself to a drag race
I’m going to suggest that perhaps the differences aren’t quite as different as they might seem. :/
Comment by Dawn C (July 21, 2006 @ 1:34 pm )
This analogy comes to mind: Being in a church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than being in a garage makes you a car. This is true in ANY church, whether you get around by horse and buggy or you swing from the chandeliers.
I have seen it in every church I’ve ever been in. People think they are saved by works. It’s a universal ploy of the enemy. Some think they are saved if they say the rosary. Some think they are saved if they speak in tongues. Some think they are saved if they go to church at Christmas and Easter. Some think they are saved if they read a chapter in the Bible each day. Some think they are saved if they don’t use any gas engines and don’t have electricity.
BUT, we need to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. We are commanded in Scripture to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. Our love for Christ will naturally produce good works, not to earn our salvation, but because of God’s gift of salvation. As a Charismatic pastor that I highly respect used to say, “We are not saved by works, but for good works.” And as James says, “Faith without works is dead.” It is not legalistic to follow and obey what the Bible says to do. Obviously the heart motives need to be in line with our relationship with Christ.
It’s frustrating to me to have people in effect say, “The Amish don’t have it all right either, so I’m not going to have anything to do with them or honestly look at what they believe and why. They just think they are saved by works, just like the Pharisees.” In my mind that is prideful too. My husband and I learned TONS by getting to know the very conservative Anabaptists that had a living relationship with the Lord. Though we didn’t neccesarily agree with all of their convictions, understanding where they were coming from and the heart behind it was extremely eye-opening and helped us see Scripture in a different light.
Jesus said the He is the way, the truth and the life. There are many aspects to our walk with Him. So often we focus on single parts (i.e. living “right” vs. “It’s all about our hearts and how we live doesn’t matter.” vs. “We said the right words and were baptized, so I’m saved and I can go on with my life now.”) We need to realize that accepting Christ as our Savior is only the beginning of a long journey of relationship with Him. Our hearts and our actions will change according to His Word while communing with Him along that path. That includes how we live our lives, realizing that this world is not our home. We are part of a new kingdom, God’s kingdom. This is just a temporary residence in which we are to walk with Him, worship Him and tell others about Him. I can hardly wait to go home.
Comment by Heidi (July 21, 2006 @ 1:53 pm )
“There is a book on that very thing. I can’t remember the title now, as I read it several years ago. I believe the author’s last name was Bender, maybe.”
Yeah, the author’s name is Sue Bender. I can’t remember the title. It’s definitely not from a Christian perspective, but she makes some (sometimes embarrassingly) astute observations about the Amish lifestyle.
As a Mennonite, it’s encouraging to me to see members of the “Reformed Community”, like yourself, thinking about what it means to live in the world, but not of it. We Anabaptists are very strong on outward noncormity, but tend to ignore the motives of what we do. Hopefully that’s changing.
Thanks for the post.
Comment by Jenn (July 21, 2006 @ 2:33 pm )
Amy, I read your blog alot and hardly ever comment(there’s so many that I feel mu=ime would be lost anyway), but what you have to say is quite interesting. I am a Mennonite.
I don’t have time to say much more but Heidi is one of my best friends and she says it well!
Comment by Aimee (July 21, 2006 @ 2:55 pm )
Having lived in an Amish area for nearly 8 years now I have met a lot of Amish people, and have several friends who used to be Amish. I think a lot of “English” people idealize the Amish lifestyle without knowing their life as a whole. I do agree that there are some genuine character traits that are admirable. But when you get right to the point, we are all sinners, no matter whether your Amish or Methodist etc..
It is only by the grace of God that we will one day be able to enter heaven. Our works will not get us in, no matter how “good” we were. Thats a problem with many Amish people, they don’t have a relationship with Jesus Christ.
I don’t know how many people are aware of the “running around” period that teens can participate in. This is a time when they can do whatever they want - drink, do drugs, sleep around… - they can test the waters of the outside world for a while, before they decide if they want to join the church as an adult. This baffled me when I first learned of it.
I have a friend who left the Amish church as an adult after she and he husband came to Christ - her parents had to shun her, not even accepting the flowers she brought to her father when he was in the hospital.
I’m not trying to flame the Amish, just sharing some of my experiences.
Amy, I love to read your blog, keep on writing!
P.S. Carrie, I just saw your question about how many people convert to Amish. I know one lady who did, in order to marry her husband - though their entire family eventually left the Amish church.
Comment by Rebekah (July 21, 2006 @ 3:01 pm )
I had a thing for the Amish in my early teen years as well and I still get a little thrill whenever I’m in Amish “territory”(not much exposure to such things down here in the Carolina’s =). I just knew that when I grew up I would become Amish and we would buy all of our needs (aside from the food we would grow ourselves, of course)out of the Cumberland General Store Catalogue =). Well, hubby isn’t up for becoming Amish after all but I did get mygirls a Cumberland General Store Catalogue, guess who’s dreamig of the simple life now ;).
I loved this post and I really needed it right now!
I totally agree with you. About two years ago I started asking myself, why do we really need this…and this…and this? I have gone through the house weeding out all of the, well, *weeds* several times now and every time I find more that is just not edifying. It’s like every time I think I’ve “made it” I find that that was just another layer to peel away and there is a whole other layer underneath! (My four year old asked the other day, “What is a cartoon?”. How funny =))
I also agree that a christian *can* be known by how they carry themselves, at least by other christians. I have had people at Wal-Mart (once just last night in fact) say they knew we were chritians just by the way we dressed and/or by the behavior of our children etc.. I think we have allowed ourselves too much freedom by using the excuse, “Well, I don’t want to be legalistic!”. I agree that legalism isn’t spiritually healthy but legalism isn’t enforcing what God has out right said to us in His word! We *are* to dress modestly. Reproving someone with scripture and admonishing them to God’s standards in modesty isn’t legalism or even being judgemental (at least until you start measuring hem lines by another human’s standard =)), it’s biblical and it’s being a concerned sister in Christ!
Anyway, I hope this isn’t coming off as judgemental =). I’m going through some stuff right now that has me really seriously questioning these things and it’s got me fired up =), in a good way! I don’t remember the last time I spent this much time in God’s word…
Comment by Shelby (July 21, 2006 @ 4:23 pm )
In my mind, it’s not at all about whether the Amish have it “right” or “wrong” in every sense of the word. The appeal of the lifestyle lies in hard work, simple living, community and enjoying the fruits of your labor. It just feels better when you eat something you grew by your own labor or tuck your children into bed under a quilt you made yourself. It feels good to climb into bed at night knowing that you did meaningful and important work today and that you will do it again tomorrow. And that nobody in your family wasted a lot of time on useless entertainment. The Amish live a fasted lifestyle. I long for that and find it difficult to actually live that way in our microwave society where my family is bombarded at every turn with something to keep us quickly and mindlessly entertained…and our TV only gets 2 fuzzy channels.
Thanks, Amy, for the thought provoking post. Even though I’m a bit discontent again:):):)
Comment by tonya (July 21, 2006 @ 6:11 pm )
We are probably more involved in the Amish culture than most. We live in the 2nd largest concentrated Amish community in the world (second only to Holmes County, OH). The workforce at my factory is probably 70% Amish. We shop at many local Amish stores and have shared dinner and done chores with many Amish families, both at our house and theirs. We have been invited to and attended Amish auctions, Amish funerals, and Amish school.
There are indeed many things that are attractive about their lifestyle. My wife and I have been encouraged to question what things are “needful”. We have been drawn to their simplicity, sense of community and closeness of family.
After living here for two-thirds of our married life, the conclusion I draw is that, in the spiritual realm, there is no distinction between Amish, Baptist, Pentecostal, or Lutheran. Most of the Amish live the way they do because their Bishop told them how much worldliness they are allowed. Some churches allow computers or cell phones as long as it’s strictly for “business”. (One Amish man told me the only regret he had about attending his church instead of joining the church a mile away is that THAT church allowed rubber tires on their tractors, while HIS Bishop insisted on steel wheels.) Is this any different from us hopping churches because this one or that one fits our personal legalistic preferences for worship, adornment or behavior?
As far as entertainment, Tonya, while it’s true the Amish shun TV (Well, mostly. A friend of mine had a buggy slam into his car because the driver and his girlfriend were too busy watching their battery-powered TV/VCR.), they do not lack for amusement. Many of them hire drivers to haul their fishing boats to the lake, sometimes several states away. Another friend of mine restores muscle cars as his side business. It’s very odd to see Mustangs and GTO’s in the barn next to his buggy harnesses!
This is not an indictment of the Amish. I know several who love Christ passionately. Sadly, most of them leave the church when they really start reading their Bible. A few stay in the Amish church believing God has called them as missionaries in their own churches. These are the ones I want to emulate. Those who realize that we are not saved by label or affiliation, but by the Blood. Are we not all called to be a light wherever Father has placed us?
Although we are attracted by many aspects of the Amish lifestyle, the challenge for our family (and for yours as well, I’m sure) is to not idealize any part of the Body, but to keep our focus on the Saviour and His finished work on the cross.
Comment by Jeff (July 21, 2006 @ 8:36 pm )
Okay Jeff, I must admit laughing loudly about the TV watching buggy driver. THAT is funny.
And I am all for fishing, healthy hobbies, board games with the family, etc. It’s the relationship with the electronics in the home (or the draw to have one, anyway, even if you know it’s useless) that I don’t love - or even like.
You said, “There are indeed many things that are attractive about their lifestyle. My wife and I have been encouraged to question what things are “needful”. We have been drawn to their simplicity, sense of community and closeness of family.” This is what draws me too.
And I know what you mean by this… “Although we are attracted by many aspects of the Amish lifestyle, the challenge for our family (and for yours as well, I’m sure) is to not idealize any part of the Body, but to keep our focus on the Saviour and His finished work on the cross.”… and I TOTALLY agree. 100%. HE is the reason I have a life. I won’t go in to that here, but thanks for your post!
Comment by tonya (July 21, 2006 @ 9:05 pm )
i wish jeff had written what he wrote earlier. then i wouldn’t have had to ramble on ineffectively and confusingly. he said what i wanted to. martha
Comment by martha (July 21, 2006 @ 9:15 pm )
Hmmm. I appreciate what you were trying to convey. I’ve been reading Wayne Oates book, Nurturing Silence in a Noisy Heart, and there seem to be some parallels in the concepts.
Asking the tough questions is, well, tough. But I want to thank you for the honest challenge to do so.
Blessings.
Comment by tina (July 21, 2006 @ 9:46 pm )
The book refered to is Plain and Sinple: A Woman’s Journey to the Amish by Sue Bender. Published in 1989. A good read.I enjoyed it.
Comment by Alex (July 22, 2006 @ 1:14 am )
Amy,
I read you blog everyday and usually love it– but this post really bothered me because it always bothers me when people laud the Amish.
Why?
#1- They believe in an extra biblical book called the Ordung.
#2- Many Amish participate in the Satanic practice of White magic and voo-doo doctors.
#3- The Amish do not preach the true gospel. My dear friend left her Amish family when she was 17 years old and was gloriously saved when she heard the Gospel for the first time in her life. Of course, her family will have nothing to do with her now–because SHE IS NOW SHUNNED.
The Amish are a cult, pure and simple–no matter how attractive their simple, nonmaterialist lifestyle may seem. The Mormons also often “stand out” with their beautiful large families, but you won’t hear me praising them either.
Just some thoughts.
Comment by Michelle-This One's for the Girls (July 22, 2006 @ 1:17 am )
Amy - A thousand appologies for addressing you as “Molly” in my previous comment.
Michelle (comment #39) does have a good point. We may be romanticizing the Amish while overlooking practices that we condemn other groups for; say, Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormons.
Comment by The Mommy Blawger (July 22, 2006 @ 3:38 am )
Tonya hit the nail on the head. This is what appeals to me too.
I have Beachy Amish friends, Mennonite friends, River Brethren Friends, and horse-and-buggy friends. All of those that I know are sweet-spirited people who’s primary desire is to please the Lord, and glorify him with thier life. I can’t fault them for that.
But I do agree that we need to be careful not to idealize these groups, as they are made up of human beings prone to sin, just like the rest of us. There is a huge variety of Amish and Mennonite churches, ranging from cultish, to evangelical, all the way to some frighteningly left-leaning liberal Mennonites. Just like in any other denomination, there are believers in Christ, and there are people who think they can get to heaven by “living right”.
Comment by Margaret (July 22, 2006 @ 6:26 am )
Here is a link.
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After reading all the comments this morning (yes, I read them all Aimee!), I am planning on a comment myself. But I need time to reread my post to remember what it is that I said.
Where did my smileys go?
Comment by Amy Scott (July 22, 2006 @ 12:02 pm )
Why do the Amish stand out? You are suggesting it is because their work ethic is different, their products are different, their morals are different, etc.
It’s basically because they LOOK different. And they have a style all to themselves.
But the outward does not assume an inward equivalent. It is harder to be a Christian ‘without outward props - hair so-so, clothing so-so, life style so-so’ and be in the world, but transformed and salt and light in the world.
Christians who live along side the heathen, and who show unconditional love, forgiveness, graciousness, self-control are admirable.
I was raised conservative Mennonite and we are close cousins to the Amish. We have plain clothes, plain buildings, plain churches, even plain cars. It was obvious we were different, because we spoke a different language. Our food was different.
But none of that could assume that the heart was different, or transformed, or saved, or Christ like, or cleansed from sin.
In fact, the brotherhood meetings were often to discipline those who were ‘bucking’ the outward look. One particular meeting was held to determine if it is a sin for a woman to be ‘uncovered’ and go barefoot in sandals during the summer, or if she should be ‘completely covered’ with panty hose. Another meeting was about painting the church building. It was white and some brethren wanted color. The church almost split over this worldly suggestion.
Don’t assume that deligence and self-control to codes of conduct equate spiritual life in Christ. Having the guts and gumption to through out a bad TV, is just that guts and gumption. But it is not necessarily related to Christ.
I came to Christ AFTER I left the Mennonite church. I did not find Him there. I have maintained many of my Mennonite heritage activities. I sew, I can, I grow a massive garden, I cook from scratch, I usually wear dresses, I even speak the language, and so on.
And we have a large family that we are raising. Not one of those children are being taught to be Mennonite. They are being taught the things of the Lord, plus to have a strong work ethic, that homegrown food is good, that if you can’t find clothes at Walmart you can always sew your own, and so forth. I strongly guard against teaching my children that they can be more acceptable to God if they do those simple/plain type activities.
Are there Christians within the Mennonite, the Hutterite or the Amish people. Yes. But not all Mennonites and Hutterites and Amish are Christian. Many are blinded into seeing their need for a Saviour, since they are taught that they can ’save’ themselves by living according to the Bishop’s rules.
Godliness with contentment is great gain. We can all live the simple life. It’s harder to do with all the advertising, but you can, with the help of God, be content with less and make do with what you have.
Maybe we could say the Amish people have just set a boundary, and they will not venture any further into purchasing and upgrading. We could all do with some boundary setting. All the advertising is about ‘this is better, faster, more efficient’ or it’s about something that is ‘this new amazing discovery.’ This kind of stuff breeds discontent and destroys the simple life that is within all our grasps.
I recently heard of a very neat financial seminar coming to town. I just heard a snippet of it, but the premise is that you start with a basic budget and determine what does your family needs - what are the basics. Right at that point we are able to set a boundary and determine we want a simple life. Then the seminar teachs how to distribute the funds that God gives you over and above that basic budget. Isn’t that amazing. I think it is a marvelous concept, especially in wealthy North America.
But you know, none of us have the self-discipline to carry through with it. When the salary goes up, we just up our life style, up our investments, up our accumulation of STUFF, upgrade our car, pc and washing machine(to name a few).
The Christian life and the teaching of the Word is all the encouragement we need to live a simple life. The trouble is it is very very hard to live. The Amish just have a bit of community and leadership/authority to implement the simple life. We have the Holy Spirit. Maybe we should give the Holy Spirit as much respect and obedience as the Amish give the Bishop. It would make a huge difference in the life of Christian - and the world would notice. You bet.
Graceful Mom
Comment by Grace (July 22, 2006 @ 2:46 pm )
So many comments! I haven’t finished them all… but I’ll come back later to do so.
Amy, I dream of being Amish. I have most of my life, just after I realized I couldn’t be Laura Ingalls Wilder. I am fascinated with their culture, I devour every Beverly Lewis book I can lay my hands on.
I could never be Amish, though, knowing that they don’t have a personal relationship with Jesus. (See the born again comment above… not believing in their salvation.) I could much more see myself becoming Mennonite. Since my hubby, the wonderful man that he is, is firmly planted in this century, and a lover of all things new & electronic, I doubt that we could ever make the transition. There are other little nuances he doesn’t agree with, still, a girl can dream.
Oh, how I’d love to do it - and I strive for it in my personal life, to be as simple in my lifestyle as possible. The joy of living in a community of like-minded believers, living out their simple faith. What a life…
Comment by Laura (July 22, 2006 @ 6:41 pm )
Hi there. I just want to reiterate that I don’t hate the Amish. I’d love to buy their quilts, but they’re too expensive, I drool over a Amish-made table that seats 18 everytime I visit Shipshewana, and I’m a sucker for Amish bake sales and haystack suppers.
In no way did I want to attack Amy or anyone else. I was just trying to voice my experience and may have bypassed the point of the original post.
I too am trying to simplify my life, getting rid of excess and leading a more discipled lifestyle.
Amy, next time you’re in northern Indiana (it’s a happenin place), look me up, and I’ll take you on a tour of all the local Amish tourist attractions.
Comment by Rebekah (July 22, 2006 @ 10:41 pm )
Rebekah,
You’re on!
Comment by Amy Scott (July 22, 2006 @ 10:45 pm )
Rebekah (post 45)!!!!
My inlaws live in Sturgis, MI, which is only about 20 miles from Shipshawana (we’re spelling it wrong, but I don’t remember how to spell it). We have only visited them a couple of times, but both times we went to Shipshawana. I love that place, but was very disagppointed the last time we were there. It seems all the little shops they had before were gone. We were there in the winter time a couple of years ago, and we didn’t quite enjoy our trip there because it was way too cold.
I thought it pretty neat that you mentioned it. When we were in Sturgis, we did see alot of Amish at the Walmart. And their horses and buggys were out in the parking lot. One of my daughters, who loves horses, thought it would be pretty neat to be Amish. We’re reformed, and I told her she’d never make it as an Amish girl.
Diane
Comment by Diane (July 23, 2006 @ 7:58 pm )
Wow..These are quite the posts!
I have to jump in and say that we lived in Kansas and would drive over to see “the community”, truthfully especially to have the chicken pot pie that was in their restraurant.
I loved being all romantic and pondering over them. In reality I do not want to go to a no airconditioning life and laundry day and night and cooking for so many even if there are other cooks beside me to help. I’d rather have the “thought” encourage and challenge me.
It’s true, they don’t believe the Bible the same, also.
Of course we don’t really want to be religiously amish.
But here’s a twist to the modesty issue. I found it such a battle to buy little girls clothes that I searched everywhere for non-trashy looks. Then I began to look at certain families and try to imitate their dress, their specific brands and looks, and then before I knew it i progressed further, I started being judgemental when I saw other Christian moms not dressing that way.
We just had sermons for the last two weeks on Romans 14 and whew, we need balance, we need to be separate from the world, we need God’s spirit to lead us, we need to repent when he points things out to us, we need to obey, and then we, no I I I need to be humble.
Comment by Molly (July 23, 2006 @ 9:44 pm )
Hmm, I read most of the comments…
My thought is, why not take some amish ideas and apply them to our own lives, without claiming to be amish? I’ve had a few friends joke with me that I would probably live quite happily in the amish community, but there are some major things I disagree with, like the whole idea of eing rahter isolated from the world.
I liked your post, Mrs. Scott. Said it all pretty well. =D
Comment by Heidi (July 24, 2006 @ 7:05 am )
I have had a wonderful time reading your blog and all of the comments. I also feel so guilty. I love my washing machine, microwave and air conditioning. I think that it would be fun to experience Amish life for a day, but after that I would want to go back to modern conveniences. I am not very deep!
Your post was a great reminder to think things through and pray about decisions though.
Claire
Comment by Claire Weaver (July 24, 2006 @ 8:24 pm )
Amy,
I grew up in the Mennonite church but have not been part of one for many years.I’ve had exposure to a number of other Christian communities. I do think the Amish/Anabaptist communities generally do a better job of integrating life and faith than the other denominations I’ve come across. Their communities are closer-knit, and you can depend on people to meet each others’ needs and look out for each other without expecting something in return. It’s automatic. They function more as an extended family.
You can talk about the outward appearance and the simple life all you want, but in the long run, what makes the difference between them and the outer world is that strong sense of brotherhood…gemeinschaft.
IMHO
Comment by Julana (August 7, 2006 @ 7:23 pm )
As for me i think we are all different people and have different needs But I myself was raised by a mother who came from an Amish background. and I want to say I think our way of thinkinking down though your generations is effected I myself have a really hard time with the rush of getting more and more It seems as if I dont belong here. But as I read the others talk I can see that others would long to return to a simplier life but we are conected with so many others usually familly that we are stuck. I mean at least the ones of us that feel this in our hearts. May God direct our paths to help us find the path that we are to walk on in this life. May God be with us all and help us in the Amish community and out to love him and those around us in a would that is flying at a place that has certainly left me behind and Im only 38. Any prayers for me would be much appreicated.sherry
Comment by sherry pettingill (December 28, 2006 @ 9:37 pm )
Robert Hillman
Integrity@cyg.net
we were involved in a beachy amish system for 8 years
they lied
they never showed us the standards sheet
you cant do this and you can t own that
its nothing more than a system of rules and controls
the word says the PRINCES OF THE GENTILES like to rule authority over the people but IT SHALL NOT BE SO AMOUNG YOU
they are a cult one day they have to have black cars and vans
the next day they voted it out of the church
god is good
Jesus is god
He loves us
he died for us
thats the simple gospel
pray for a woman that wants to be a christian
simple living wife for me
Comment by Robert Hillman (March 24, 2007 @ 9:12 am )
I recently convinced my husband to move to the country in the middle of nowhere in TN. We are from Miami, Florida. As the country life has always intrigued me, however, it seems its not enough. I would love to take my family and go Amish all the way. As life may seem simpler than what we know. I have always been fond of farm life and as having one its no picnic, but the rewards are priceless. I have tought my children how to grow their own vegetables, and fruits, after much trial and error.
Comment by Christina (July 5, 2008 @ 7:11 pm )
I’ve read a number of Beverly Lewis’ books; she was either raised Amish (New Order, not Old) or else her mother was. She knows a lot about how Amish/Mennonites live. I believe she is a pastor’s wife now, and I think her husband is in the Assemblies of God, but I could be mistaken about that.
I have mixed feelings about the Amish/Mennonite/Brethren culture.
There are a lot of things about their lifestyle that appeal to me - simple living, farm life, wide-open spaces, fresh air.
But I’ve read of things Rachael mentioned - the Ordung, the ‘witch doctors’ who are sent for when people are sick, the fact they must pray silently and they are deemed ‘proud’ if they believe they have been saved by God’s grace. It can even be a ’sin’ for them to speak English instead of German at certain times. And, yes, they live under man’s rule, which may not necessarily agree with God’s Word.
OTOH, these things don’t apply to all sects of Mennonite/Amish/Brethren either, so it can all be quite confusing for those of us who are ‘Englischers’. A good friend and her husband are fascinated with the Amish lifestyle and traveled to Lancaster, PA, last summer to visit friends (who are not Amish).
While they were there, they visited a Brethren church, and she said it’s just like non-denominational churches here - Bible reading, preaching, singing of hymns and praise choruses, etc. She said it was just like Christian churches here!
I was surprised to read not long ago that Mennonites were the ‘originals’ - they were followers of Menno Simons who came to the States - and that the Amish branched off from them, etc. I’m not sure anyone who is not of that culture can fully understand it all.
BTW - if I’ve made any erroneous statements here, I do hope someone who knows better will correct me! I don’t mean to propogate any error.
I do think Beverly Lewis has made the case for Biblical Christianity in her books; she shows the faults and the good things about these sects.
Comment by Claire (July 6, 2008 @ 7:05 am )
The Riddle of the Amish Culture is a book that captures the history, culture, and practice of the Plain People accurately. I highly commend it to folks seeking to understand them.
Comment by Amy Scott (July 6, 2008 @ 10:37 am )