Life With Three Under Three - #5
Thursday, Feb 22, 2007
The response from the “Life With Three Under Three” posts this week has been great. My email box is jammed. The only thing that would’ve generated more traffic is a post on birth control. Thanks for making me not have to go there. I have a theory on why the subject of living with lots of littles is interesting to so many. Let me explain, but first I have to back up.
Like the rest of the evangelical world, I picked up my prescription a few months before my wedding. We would wait the prerequisite 3-5 years, and then I’d have 2.1 kids. If I was lucky, I’d get a boy and a girl—in that order. The problem was that the low-dose pill made me throw up. I remember sitting on the floor with my hands over my knees in the bathroom two weeks before my wedding thinking that this was so unnatural.
Fast forward to last month. I’m in the church choir room directing a rehearsal. (I direct an 18-member children’s choir.) We’re finishing up, and on a whim, a young and free 20-something says that she wishes that she had my life. Say what. She didn’t say this in a Fatal Attraction sort-of-way, just matter-of-factly. I dismissed the children and went home in a hazy daze, only because I function with half my brain tied behind my back as a matter of routine.
A week or so later, my husband gets stuck in the Atlanta airport the day the Anna Nicole Smith saga broke. He couldn’t find a TV not carrying the story. When he called to tell me that he’d been bumped, he moaned, “Didn’t anything else happen in the world today?” Unsure of what the oogle factor was, I scanned news feeds for clues. Passing over all the speculation, I quickly zeroed in a friend of the family who quoted Anna Nicole Smith as saying, “If I had to do it all over again, I’d be back at the chicken store having lots of babies.”
It’s maternal instinct to desire and nurture babies. We’re created for it; it’s basic biology. The problem is that our culture suppresses the natural urge and calls it unnatural. This is why I messed with nature, took synthetic hormones, and hung over a toilet for months. If I said, “I’m getting married and hope raise a family soon,” I’d likely be labeled “irresponsible” by my evangelical brethren; for the more fortunate, it’s possible to escape with just being weird.
But there is a resurgence of women (that I’ve never noticed before—maybe I had my eyes closed or maybe the internet made it possible for them to band together) who are now saying, “Yes, I want to raise a family. I’ll agree that babies are good and can glorify God….but how?”
After a few babies, reality sets in and the Christian mom begins to think that maybe everyone had a good point. This is really hard. She is knee-deep in Cheerios. The laundry has an unnatural smell to it. She’s knows the theme song to every show in the PBS morning lineup. Her husband gets to talk to people that are taller than his waist during the day and she feels jealous. The kids are crying, but when it’s quiet she is left with the thought, “How does doing THIS glorify God? And how in the world do I do this?!”
Our 21st-century homes do not have front porches. Quilting circles are only found in books. And the hospital nurse at your last delivery? She was 20. Her coaching consisted of asking every few minutes if you were ready for an epidural.
Has it really come to this? And if so, is it OK?
I don’t think it’s OK. I also think many women agree with me. We weren’t meant to do it alone. We weren’t meant to take our cues from the broader culture. We want to know that it’s OK to cross-the-line and have Baby #3 (on purpose). We want to raise them to love Jesus and not lose our minds at the same time. We want to know that our sacrifice means something, and at the end of the day, our pursuit of God’s glory made a difference.
oooooooomama!
Comment by a. borealis (February 22, 2007 @ 12:38 am )
Amy,
Just wanted to introduce myself and let you know that I’ve been reading your posts for many months now. I’m always encouraged by your thoughts and the way that you share them in such a Jesus-glorifying way. The fact that you’re a fellow E. Elliot fan doesn’t hurt either.
I’m home with three little ones, five and under, with one on the way. These last few posts have hit the nail on the head for me - thanks so much for sharing you and your family.
Comment by emily (February 22, 2007 @ 1:52 am )
You’ve said it well. Thank you for these last couple of posts. I really needed it. We have 4 children (on purpose). I find I dare not ask how to do it all, raising children, homeschool, housework etc. to those around me. They already want to know why we don’t just stop having children, and send the ones we have to school/pre-school. There, problem solved.
Although difficult at times (I also work from home, putter in the garden, sew when I have the time etc) I want it no other way. Life with the little ones is a feast. I might not enjoy all that gets dished up for me, but in the end I am full & satisfied. I get to realise everyday my need of God. I have ample opportunities to work on my patience, wisdom etc. Sometimes I am a bit sleep deprived, but I will catch up on that in my old age.
It is so nice to know I am not the only one. When I wonder if this is going to strengthen or brake me (felt like the latter this week)your timely posts and the responses helped me to breath again.
Thank you to those who will share out of there lives, so that I am reminded that what we do is ok, possible and all worth it in the end.
Marita (Mom to 9yr,6yr,1.5yr and 3 months)
Comment by Marita (February 22, 2007 @ 2:04 am )
Amy-I almost cried with reading this post-it is EXACTLY what I think/see.
It probably helps that we have similar circumstaces too-having five children, being a pianist, helping direct children’s choir, interested in pinpointing and confrontng the ideas that drive our culture. I love skirts too, but at this point they make up only about 75% of my wardrobe.
Of course, you live in sunny FL while I hibernate here in MI…. I suppose that means you take turns escaping indoors in August while I then turn my face towards the sunshine!
Your recent post on the cleaup after dinner by your children gave me the final kick to formally/systematically organize their training after dinner (after all, my oldest is ten!).
God’s continued grace, peace, and love to you!
Comment by Molly with Two Mills (February 22, 2007 @ 2:04 am )
By the way, with the dearth of larger families in our society, so seldom do mothers get past the hard stage of two or three children all under schooling age. I always tell harried moms who look at me with five and say, “I could NEVER do that!” that it was harder for me with two than it ever is with five. Now God has blessed us so far with a 14-month-old as the youngest, but I have three helpers ages 10, 8, and 6 (and almost 4). Before I did everything-all the cleaning, all the child-watching and child-lifting, every task. But now, with continuing training, I have four little merry maids to spread around the chores and watch over the baby. Plus there are hidden bonuses our society doesn’t know about-it’s soooo sweet to see the affection that baby Winston has from his siblings! They love him! And finally I’m not the only one thinking everything he does is cute.
Comment by Molly with Two Mills (February 22, 2007 @ 2:12 am )
AMEN! Thank you, Amy.
I was about to boycot your blog after that picture of the spotless laundry room, but I’m back in your fan club now.
Comment by Meg (February 22, 2007 @ 5:52 am )
It has been interesting to read all of your posts.too bad I am way past child bearing age,maybe with all of the knowledge that I read this week maybe there would be mor ethen 2 children in our house.
Comment by Tammy (February 22, 2007 @ 8:26 am )
This has brought tears to me this morning! I bought the lie of our culture (and self) and had my tubes tied. I had a tubal reversal 5 years ago. God has chosen not to give us any more babies and I am FINALLY to the point of accepting His will about that, but I truly ache for those Christians that do not see and understand the incredible blessings of a Godly marriage, home and family, with LOTS of babies! Now I am praying for Godly mates for my 3 children and LOTS of grandbabies!
Thank you for doing this theme this week. I have passed it on to all my friends that have a house full of little ones!
Comment by Kathy, Jeff's Wife (February 22, 2007 @ 8:26 am )
Thank you for these posts. As a mother of 2 girls, 3 and under, I feel like I’m at that stage of deciding to go further or stop. My DH doesn’t want more, but I don’t feel done. However, I often worry about my ability to handle more. I’m already stressed out and overwhelmed with the 2 that I have. Finances are tight, etc. etc. etc. Thanks for helping me to think past our culture’s norms.
Oh- I loved the bit about the 20 year old nurse asking about an epidural every few minutes. Maybe if our culture were centered around extended families, women would feel more empowered to give birth naturally. Birth can be overwhelming and there’s nothing worse than feeling like you have to go it alone.
Anyway, just my two cents!
Comment by Melissa (February 22, 2007 @ 8:41 am )
I am just like Melissa, I have two under 3, and am struggling daily just to stay sane. I really want to model patience, faith, love, ect… and so many days I feel like I fail. However, I do not feel done. I have this craving for more-and at the same time am so overwhelmed! Doesn’t make sense, but there it is.
Thank you for voicing (once again) what I feel. Women have been believing the lie that children are a choice, that we have the right to control what gifts God gives us.
Christy
Comment by Christy (February 22, 2007 @ 8:45 am )
I love this! It is so true…for me,anyway. I,like you,beagn taking bc right before marriage only to find out it made me an emotional wreck,sick to my stomach and I could not see. On our honeymoon,my contacts were so blurry,I was miserable and cried everyday. It wreaked havoc on me physically and emotionally.
I took them for 3 months,that was it. But,at first it was not for the reasons of having more children…later we became convinced that having more children is truly a blessing. I am encouraging my girls to have large families and hopefully teaching them the blessings of that. I also understand there is no magic number of children for a family…every family is different and perfectly planned by God.
Now,after 4 children(we had a 8 year gap)we are adopting. It is a dream come true. I would have loved to have a couple of more children in the 8 year gap,but that obviously was not God’s plan for our family. ) :
I’m very grateful for His plans.
Thanks for this post!
Love it!!!
Kim
Comment by Kim (February 22, 2007 @ 8:45 am )
Amy,
It’s an interesting post. I”m 24 and will be giving birth to our first baby tomorrow (I’m overdue and the doctor doesn’t think I’ll be good to wait another week, so we’re inducing). I’ve been married a year and a half and like “everyone else” I got right on the pill - it seems like that’s what everyone expected. The problem is that I’m super sensitive to hormones emotionally and I had horrible mood swings (for the record, my mood swings being pregnant haven’t come close to the mood swings I had while on the pill!). After the wise counsel of an older woman in my life who has always given me sound, Godly advice, we decided to skip that bag of goods (and two months later I was pregnant).
Other than the few women in my office that gave birth out of wedlock at a young age, I’m pretty sure I’m the youngest having a baby. Most of my colleagues at my age aren’t even married yet. They’re always shocked when I say I want to have four, five, or even six kids. (And truthfully, three or four years ago, I would have been with them, but God through scripture changed my attitude).
Anyway, thanks for your encouraging posts. For a younger 20-something being told by America that she needs to be a size two and not have kids til she’s 38 (because you don’t want to ruin that girlish figure), it’s good to hear about someone not taking that road.
Comment by Shannon (February 22, 2007 @ 8:53 am )
Thank you, Amy! This was a beautiful post. As a young woman who hopes to marry in the next 6-8 months (nothing “set” yet) and who would like to start a family right off, I already wonder what sorts of reactions we would get to being so “irresponsible” by not waiting. Thank you for this lovely post :-).
Comment by Susan (February 22, 2007 @ 8:55 am )
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I’m so enjoying these posts. As a mama of “almost” 3, 3 and under, they have been so encouraging. (#3 is due in May). Please continue to share your wisdom - it encourages me to press on, that I CAN do it, and I’m not nuts because I want more than the three we’ve been blessed with (Lord willing).
Comment by stephanie (February 22, 2007 @ 9:40 am )
I struggle with this issue.
I always wanted 4-6 kids. Everyone thought I was nuts. Even some of those in my church. Granted, our church has it’s own chapter of the “full quiver club”, but we have our share of young professionals too.
My problem is that I’m infertile. So is my husband. We didn’t know this before we started trying for babies, one month after our honeymoon. 12 years later, I have 2 children. We adopted our daughter first, she’s almost 6 now and then I got to give birth to our son, he’s 4.
I still want more. But I feel guilty, because I already have two miracles! How can I look at them and tell God they aren’t enough? How far do we go to have more? Why is this so easy for some, and so difficult for others (me)? I do not expect the world to stop having babies just because I can’t, and I am genuinely thrilled for anyone that gets to have another baby, no matter how many they already have.
Is it o.k. for me to beg God for more? Like Hannah? Or do I need to move on?
Comment by Amy Lu (February 22, 2007 @ 10:21 am )
Amy,
I’ve been reading for some time now and have never commented, but you need to know this morning that the Lord is using you in my life, as well as the lives of so many others (uh, you’ve not been reading your comments if you don’t know this by now!). I am thrilled to be a mom to three boys - ages 5, 4 and 10 months, and desire more to prayerfully raise up to serve the Lord. However, this has been one hard week. Thank you for reminding me that I’m not alone, and that God’s way is the best way, no matter how often I still fight dying to self. Wish we were neighbors…
Comment by Whitney (February 22, 2007 @ 10:21 am )
This is sooo true,when I married at 29 it was the norm to start your birth control pills a few months before your wedding. Then, of course you had to have time together for a few years. When we started trying to have a baby it didn’t happen. After years of doctors, taking my temperature and crying each month, we decided to adopt. After many failed attempts at this, some falling thru the night before we were to pick the baby up at the hospital, God blessed us REAL GOOD. Katie has her 3′rd birthday tomorrow and Ben’s 3′rd is in March. Even though I tried several times to tell God I was getting old, I know He’s in control!!!! So, as a pastor’s wife I try to tell young married couples don’t wait too long.
Comment by Tracy from Ky (February 22, 2007 @ 10:28 am )
I think you hit the nail on the head–more people would do it if they knew HOW. And our mothers, as a generation, didn’t show us how to make a home, they showed us how to leave it. (Not speaking here of my own mom.) That’s why your posts speak to so many people; they want to know how it’s done.
Comment by Jeana (February 22, 2007 @ 10:31 am )
I’m loving this series of posts, being a mom of five in nine years. We were just blessed with our #5 this month, and it is definitely easier to have 5 than it was to have 2 or 3. Honestly, that 3rd one was the hardest for me. Now I have an almost 3 yr. old to fetch diapers and wipes for me, a 4 yr. old to help put up clothes, a 6 yr. old to help keep an eye on the 3 and 4 yr. olds, and a 9 yr. old that can do everything except drive and grocery shop! Train those tots early, ladies, and you’ll enjoy your babies so much more!
Comment by Mrs. Huckabay (February 22, 2007 @ 10:37 am )
Amy,
You are sooooo on the money when you speak of there being a lack of closeness among families and friends anymore (i.e. not having quiliting circles and such anymore). There “used” to be a sense of community where women (and men, I suppose)had an ability to share their likeminded family situations. Now, chainlink fences have been replaced by 6 foot wood slats and clothelines are only for the “weird” (which, by the way, I’m hoping to be weird by the summer). We’ve closed our selves off so much from one another and then sit back and say “hmmm…why do I feel so alone in all of this?”. It is especially sad among the Christian community when we really “should” have fellowship with one another.
*stepping off my soapbox now* By the way, did I mention I really liked your post?
Comment by Michelle (February 22, 2007 @ 10:40 am )
Afraid I have to be the dissenter here again, in a little way (hey, Amy expects this–we have this deal, eh?)
I consider myself very maternal–I believe I show a sort of motherly concern for many around me, and I genuinely hope it does them good. But I’ve never, ever had what I could consider a serious desire to have children. Now that I’ve been married ten years, I see what God was doing–he sent me a particularly challenging marriage in which the presence of children would have been . . . what’s the word? Not difficult. ‘Way past difficult. Foolhardy? Criminal? The latter might not be too strong. And hey, I’m Catholic! (A bad Catholic, evidently. I know.)
It seems that the constant debate in both “sides” of the “woman issue” (as it used to be called) is choice. No, I’m not talking about abortion (although some people lump it in); I’m talking about choice in terms of modes of living. Feminism was supposed to be about giving women the okay to make those choices. Frequently, it hasn’t–it’s told women who want to stay home and raise families that they’re doing something wrong. Nuh-uh. That’s bad feminism, and I’ll never support it. But neither will I support the opposite view, which tells us that it knows what we _really_ want.
What I really want was, evidently, very different from what many of the ladies here really wanted. To me, that’s fine; I’ll fight to the death for your right to make your decision. But I won’t pretend that I feel my way is wrong. I did what I genuinely felt I was led to do, in view of my faith and my personal convictions (which include believing that the one and only commandment from God we got right was “be fruitful and multiply”–there are now six billion of us, so we’ve nailed that one, and need to look at stewardship issues around population, in my opinion). I long for a world in which thoughtful and responsible life choices can co-exist harmoniously.
Hey, I know–we first have to make a world in which the majority of people actually _make_ thoughtful and responsible life choices!
I won’t hold my breath!
I submit this respectfully, as Amy knows, and wish every woman here the maximum amount of joy with the life she has chosen.
(Amy, you may now send me an email telling me to shut the heck up.)
Comment by Mrs. P. (February 22, 2007 @ 10:40 am )
You brought tears to my eyes, Amy. Thank you for the post. I have long been pondering the question “is it OK that we are so alone as mothers?” and also think that the answer is “no.” But now what?! The online forums help lessen the feeling of isolation, but it is only a virtual community.
Anyhow, I didn’t get a chance to read all the comments yet but I wanted to post while the tears were still fresh…
Maybe later when my little ones aren’t clamoring for me I’ll get a chance…
Comment by Carole (February 22, 2007 @ 10:59 am )
Brilliant post as always! We have ‘been there’ and bought the world’s view of children. We controlled our family size for ten years. Then, after three children, we were so convicted in this area, my husband reversed our bad decsion. I have two reversal babies so far and am expecting baby number six (3rd baby post-reversal) this summer! It’s a blessing and a delight! Thankfully, our children are growing up with a correct view of these things from an early age. This said from a woman who didn’t know how to work a washing machine or cook a meal the day she was married! It’s been a long road and hopefully my daughters will benefit from my experience and mistakes!
Thanks again for such a wonderful and thoughtful post!!
Comment by Lady Why (February 22, 2007 @ 11:11 am )
I don’t even have the guts to tell my mom and stepdad that my husband and I have decided to let God decide our family size for us. He’ll laugh and tell me I’m crazy (in a very nice way) and she’ll tell me I’m stupid, irresponsible, and several other unflattering adjectives. I feel like I can’t complain or vent to anyone when we have a bad day because I “brought it all on myself”. Thank you for these posts, I really need them!
Comment by Vida (February 22, 2007 @ 11:17 am )
Go Amy! I wish blogs were around in the 90’s when I was home with our 5 young children. I was so isolated and felt like a dinosaur (extinct.) Things are changing for Christian moms who want to be at home while raising large families. Currently, I’m involved in a Bible study group right in our neighborhood. Also,I’m in a quilting circle (we meet weekly.)
I have lots of opportunities to interact and to muse with other like-minded women. God meets our needs in many different ways.
Some days were pretty exhausting and frustrating when the kids were so little, but they are not so little now. It’s awesome having these “people” living in the house with me. They are finally learning to praise God on their own. My ultimate goal for their lives.
Comment by Mary (February 22, 2007 @ 11:29 am )
God Bless You for this post! It’s so refreshing! I also like hearing about others out there in the same boat by reading comments.
Now I have a question: What do you say when you’re in a conversation with fellow Christians, this subject comes up, and you quickly gather that they DO NOT have the same attitude about children, but instead have been influenced by “the world’s view of children”? Be quiet and smile, then they get the idea that you agree with them? Disagree, then they get the idea that you think you are better than they are? Okay, I know a humble attitude doesn’t necessarily do that, but sometimes it’s easier to be quiet because I don’t have time for the huge discussion which disagreeing brings up–and sometimes it’s frankly hard to keep a good attitude. I’ve prayed and wondered about this, as it’s hard for me to know what to do. Just thought I’d see if you had some advice!
Comment by Sharon (February 22, 2007 @ 11:43 am )
This is exactly why God, in His great wisdom, tells the older women to teach the younger women to love their husbands, love their children, etc. for a specific and critical reason:
Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.
God knew we couldn’t do this alone (child raising). I would urge those of you who are in the thick of the busy and exhausting child bearing / child raising season of life to look for examples of gentle godly women in your churches, and talk to them. Ask them what to do. Don’t be fooled by them - they may seem to be busy, or “have it all together” but at one time they, too, were in their 20’s and asking God “What was I thinking???”.
I have found that there are a lot of godly women out there in my 40-something age group who have been through much and who flow in encouragement in word and deed. Seek them out, young moms. They are there to help.
Oh, and for Sharon (comment 28) my unsolicited advice would be to guard your heart when conversing with someone who doesn’t share your views regarding children, then share how you’ve been blessed by your kiddos. This has worked well for me over the years
, especially with the “don’t you know what CAUSES that?” group.
Comment by Mx5 (February 22, 2007 @ 11:59 am )
Thank you for this beautiful post, Amy. I have recently received some ridicule, from my relatives, for expecting baby #3. They told me that I needed a hobby. Bearing children and taking care of them, can be quite challenging at times, yet it is so rewarding. The independant, career-centered women of today can never understand the delight of rejoicing in the blessings He sends. I am so glad that there are so many Christians who have banded together, who treasure each and every life. Blessings to you!
Comment by Christine (February 22, 2007 @ 12:26 pm )
Thanks so much for your posts, Amy! I have been reading your blog over the past months, and have found so many words of encouragement!! I am expecting our first child in just a couple of weeks, and my hubby and I are trying to wrap our minds around becoming parents - and couldn’t be more excited! We are an anomaly in our families and friends, both for starting a family at the “young” age of 25 and 26, and for our desire to allow the Lord to direct the size of our family (we both come from non-Christian families). Unfortunately we have not found anyone in our (very large) church family who shares our desire to potentially have a big family, but these posts and comments shared by other ladies encourage us to follow our convictions and the Lord’s leading. Looking forward to the next posts….:)
Comment by Kari (February 22, 2007 @ 12:37 pm )
I can’t agree more with you, Mx5! Ladies, limit your time away from home while you are in the “all littles” stage. However, make sure you are seeking the wisdom of those who have gone before and grown in Christ in their mothering journey. I have a mentor in her later 40’s who “only” had 3 children. This dear lady is one of the godliest and wisest women I know. I say that because finding an older Titus 2 lady doesn’t mean her experience looks exactly like yours. This lady leads a monthly Titus 2 group and I have grown so much by being a part of it. I need that encouragement to love my husband and children. We pray together. We, under no circumstances, ever talk poorly of our husbands. Kind speech and discretion are a requirement! There is also a mom of 11 children in our church. She has been a tremendous encouragement to me. I don’t quilt, but I do gather with like-minded friends to scrapbook and occasionally knit. These are mostly sisters in Christ in my mothering stage (we have 5 children 11 down to 4 - once was in the 4 under 4 club!). I always leave encouraged to go home and be a better wife and mother. If you have no support in your mothering journey, pray for it and seek it! Don’t depend completely on online support. You need real, live women who can give you a real, live hug! (or teach you to cook, encourage you with your walk with God and your relationship with your husband and children.) Read excellent books and surround yourself with godly counsel. I’ve heard we are only changed by the people we know and the books we read - and by the Holy Spirit! This doesn’t mean you must completely avoid the world. Don’t be offended by those comments you get in the grocery store or even Christians who “don’t get it!” Love them as Christ would love them, pray for them and keep smiling. Blessings to all of you! Thank you, Amy, for your always delightful and thought provoking insights.
Comment by Tina (February 22, 2007 @ 12:43 pm )
Amy,
Thank you so much for your posts! I’ve been reading your blog sporadically for several months, but haven’t posted until now.
I’m the oldest of 7 children (six girls - now 22, 20, 18, 16, 15, and 13, and one boy - age 9) and I remember the days of three in diapers - though, I am sure, not nearly as vividly as my parents remember! I can relate to just about everything in your posts, but from a somewhat different perspective. I was homeschooled (as were/are all my younger siblings) and we learned how to do just about everything. My parents decided we would each have a “jursidiction” in the house (i.e. one person took care of cleaning the bathrooms each day, another took care of all the laundry, another the kitchen clean up, etc. etc.). The job you had was based on what you disliked the most, and that job became yours until you developed a much better (honest) attitude towards the particular chore. One of my sisters handled all the laundry in our house for five years, starting when she was nine. It is NEVER too early to have little ones help. My dad always encouraged my mom that in the beginning, it might take longer to have little helpers, but it certainly helped in the long run.
As a young woman who hopes to someday have a home like you describe, your posts are very encouraging! Keep at it, the rewards will come! Oh, and by the way, I’m a nurse.
Comment by Susanna (February 22, 2007 @ 12:44 pm )
You’ve summarized my questions and thoughts from the past few years so beautifully (and with humor too). I just blogged about a few great posts written this week, and included yours. I’d like everyone I know to read it!
Oh, and I know you mentioned that you were thankful for not having to go into the topic of birth control, but, um, I’d be very interested if you did (ducking for cover). Just a thought
Comment by Sarah (February 22, 2007 @ 12:54 pm )
Thanks for sharing honestly. Your honest witness will work for God’s glory, even when you don’t know it. Every time you look upon your children you are glorifying God. You have chosen to allow God to work in you through your family and it will be for His glory, in time. Peace.
Comment by nicole (February 22, 2007 @ 1:24 pm )
Great Post! You continue to be so inspiring. Another lie that I believe society has embedded into us is that this life is all about our us. It’s all about me. Am I happy? Am I rested? Am I getting enough time for me? Is life perfectly centered around me and the things I desire? Am I getting to work at my dream job and fulfill my potential? I think this has messed so many of us up. I am realizing as I raise my two children (28 months and 10 months) that the less I think about me, and the more I think about my husband, my children, and the other people I have the opportunities to influence, the more at peace I am . The happier I am. The more content I am.
Comment by Mindy (February 22, 2007 @ 1:25 pm )
Wonderful! Brilliant! And, as always, very well said.
Comment by Bethany (February 22, 2007 @ 1:35 pm )
Amy,
I’ve been reading your posts for a couple months now and like others have been blessed by your musings and insights.
Regarding this particular subject, I am presently very uncertain and am seeking God’s will with my husband.( I’d also love feedback from those wiser than me!) We have three beautiful blessings. My husband, not wanting me to have a fourth c-section, went and got a vasectomy. It is partially my fault; I made the appt. The week before the appt. I was so sad and talked with him about not keeping it. He disagreed, saying he didn’t want me to have another c/s. Now we’re both a little sad, wondering if we made a mistake. However, we also would like to adopt. I guess I’m confused because I’d love to adopt but am torn because I long for another biological child also. I too wonder if I’m being selfish. Thanks for reading! I don’t know the protocol around here so maybe asking questions isn’t cool?
Comment by Kimberly (February 22, 2007 @ 2:14 pm )
Amy, thanks for this interesting post. I have one son (one year) and I would like to have more children. I’m one of six children and I loved growing up in a large family. Along with being a mom, many roles in life are hard, but we can be victorious in them as we live for God’s glory. I really appreciated your perspective.
You say, “Thanks for not making me not have to go there” about a blog on birth control…I would really like to hear your thoughts on it! Have you posted about this in the past or would you consider putting some thoughts up in this series?
Comment by Christa Blakey (February 22, 2007 @ 2:25 pm )
Classic Humble Musings.
…and this is why I keep reading…
Comment by Andrea+- (February 22, 2007 @ 2:59 pm )
Uh oh, now you did it…..opened up the can of worms called birth control….. What a good name for it. Controlling MY womb, only having a child if I think it’s a good time. Not having a child if it is not a good time.
We forget that God’s ways are not our ways and His timing is not always our timing. He is in control. This is one more area of our lives that we can submit to Him with. It takes a mountain of trust, it takes a supportive husband, and it takes thick skin to ward off the comments from the world and sadly, the church.
“You need to get cable!”
“Don’t you know what causes that?”
“You must like being pregnant, you’re always pregnant, aren’t you?”
Lord, help us to be obedient to what You have called us to, and help us to point others toward Your word, and not man’s opinions.
There, happy that I posted now Amy?
Comment by Stacey (February 22, 2007 @ 3:04 pm )
Thank You for this timely post. I am currently expecting #4 and we will have 4, 4 and under. People have stopped making comments about our family planning or lack there of. We worship in a medium sized church and the large families are few and far between. This will be my 4th c-section so it may very well be my last baby to carry but we decided after about a year on b.control that there had to be a better way. Because my husband is in Seminary right now and money is tight and because of complications with my last birth I actually felt guilty when I found out I was pregnant again. That was an eye opener for me and God lovingly reassured me that HE is the creator, I am only the vessel. Thank you for sharing your love for God in everything you do. That is my goal as well.
Comment by Kelli Bragdon (February 22, 2007 @ 3:11 pm )
I hope you write a Part Two to this! I wanted to keep reading… So what’s your solution, when we can’t all move out into the country, and when the majority of us were raised by feminists and have not a clue about how to sew?… When we see the huge task before us of raising and discipling our children, and at the same time fulfilling the great commission in a lost and dying world… when we don’t want to go to the other extreme of having more children just to have children, without wisely considering our health, our children’s health and well-being in light of where OUR physical, spiritual, and emotional health is. I have seen families who have many children, and they are falling apart and the children are not well-taken care of. I’ve also seen families with many children who have much fruit. The latter is definitely rarer, imo. Not surprising, considering the culture many of us were raised in. So, I do know the answer. Obey Him- what He’s saying to each individual family. But I would love to hear more of your thoughts!…
Comment by Christy (February 22, 2007 @ 3:33 pm )
I read regularly Amy (I read no other blogs) and you always bring a smile to my face and ideas to ponder. THANK YOU! I live in Australia and also attend a church where we have the largest family (5 children, 10, 8, 6, nearly 4 and 19 months…hi Molly with Two Mills, our children are the same age..we should catch up!) We are in ministry full-time and are discovering people think we are irresponsible to have lots of children when we have to raise our financial support. We are hesitating over timing of number 6 (all others have not been manipulated in terms of timing) and I am really beginning to wonder if we are listening to the world rather than the Lord. Thank you again for challenging me.
Comment by Rachael (February 22, 2007 @ 4:49 pm )
Amy,
It looks like you’ve hit this one out of the park! Thank you so much for the encouraging post.
At 19, I became pregnant, then married. So, I never really had to deal with the issue of ‘when’ to start having children. I always knew that I wanted my children to be fairly close in age, so the second was born 2 1/2 years later. We thought that we were done, until the Lord began to move our hearts.
I am now pregnant with my fourth. This will be my fourth c-section, and likely my last because of the increasing danger. The Lord has graciously moved my heart toward my home over the past seven years, and I am so thankful that I can honestly say that there is nowhere else I’d rather be!
Comment by Kendra (February 22, 2007 @ 5:57 pm )
Well said, Amy! I think the internet has definitely made it possible for moms of many to give and receive encouragement. That is what I find so appealing about mommy blogs. I don’t know anyone like me in my small town, but I can find lots encouragement on line from others who are in the trenches with me.
Comment by Connie (February 22, 2007 @ 6:37 pm )
Hello! I’m going to attempt to do a “catch all” comment here. I believe I emailed everyone who asked a specific question. Did I miss anyone? Hit me again if I skipped one.
It’s not my intent to turn the discussion into a family planning one, although it’s definitely something on the Mom of Many’s mind. How could it not go there? It’s a real issue. I am sympathetic to all my Christian sisters: those who allow God to space their children, to those who don’t, and to those who’ve already taken permanent measures. If I had five minutes to stand in a room full of moms, however, I wouldn’t talk about using family planning or not.
Instead, I’d say, “You will never regret saying to God, ‘Use me! Here I am. Help me to do all of Your will.’ Cast yourself on His mercy– for what is behind and what is before. (Nothing is lost; nothing is wasted.) Put yourself at His disposal. Offer yourself to Him to use, to change, to mold. Remember the Gospel. Remember His sacrifice, and ask Him to help you be like Him as you serve.”
I will write more when I have time. I’m out of time for tonight.
Comment by Amy Scott (February 22, 2007 @ 6:49 pm )
Today I walked through Seattle streets holding hands with my 4, 3, and 1.5 year old on the way to lunch with dad. NOTE: I am now showing at 5 months pregnant. Here come all the strange looks! What, you want more than 2 kids???!!!
I did have a good cry this week because it is hard. But then I remmeber that God promises that children are a blessing, and that when I am weak, then am I strong. These children bring me to the cross with all my selfishness everyday. Praise God!
Also, as an encouragement I offer up the regret of my mother, who wishes she had not heeded advice to stop after having 6 kids in 6 years! (and she homeschooled us all)
Comment by megan (February 22, 2007 @ 7:16 pm )
I am not sure I am submitting these quotes correctly-sorry if not. Amy, my husband just mentioned this Martin Luther quote you posted some time ago. To me, it fits so well with your post. Thank you so much for this series!!
What then does Christian faith say to this? It opens its eyes, looks upon all these insignificant, distasteful and despised duties in the spirit, and is aware that they are all adorned with divine approval as with the costliest gold and jewels.
It says, “O God, I confess I am not worthy to rock that little babe or wash its diapers, or to be entrusted with the care of a child and its mother. How is it that I without any merit have come to this distinction of being certain that I am serving thy creature and thy most precious will? Oh, how gladly will I do so. Though the duty should be even more insignificant and despised, neither frost nor heat, neither drudgery nor labor will distress me for I am certain that it is thus pleasing in thy sight.
Comment by wendy (February 22, 2007 @ 7:44 pm )
Amy, Thank you so much for these words. I am a young wife (25 years old, married 3 1/2 years), and we want to have a large family as well. I know that all my co-workers will look at me as “weird” and “strange” when I stay home full-time with our chidren someday; they’ll be mortified that we’ll “try” and live on one income. I can’t wait for that day and am eagerly anticipating my full-time homemaker days!!!
Comment by Bethany (February 22, 2007 @ 7:59 pm )
Amy, Thank you so much for these words. I am a young wife (25 years old, married 3 1/2 years), and we want to have a large family as well. I know that all my co-workers will look at me as “weird” and “strange” when I stay home full-time with our chidren someday; they’ll be mortified that we’ll “try” and live on one income. I can’t wait for that day and am eagerly anticipating my full-time homemaker days!!!
Comment by Bethany (February 22, 2007 @ 7:59 pm )
I’ve been a lurker for quite some time (I don’t think I’ve ever commented here…) I LOVED this post. What an encouragement! I’m 20 years old and am getting married in June. We are going to let God control our family size, but you should see the awful looks we get when people (even those in our church family) ask us, “When do you plan on having children,” and we reply, “Whenever God blesses us with them.”
Again, thank you. I need encouragement like this!
Comment by Jordin (February 22, 2007 @ 8:43 pm )
Lovely. We have had four children in five years. Current ages 9 mos, 2, 4, and 6 years. I will post a link on my blog to your humble musings if that is alright.
Blessings,
Hannah
Comment by Hannah (February 22, 2007 @ 8:54 pm )
I have 4 children, ages 6, 4, 2, and 8 mths. And I am so ready for #5! But in God’s good timing… I didn’t realize how soon children themselves start to see children as burdens. While I was expecting #4, a boy about 13 said,”Why do you want more kids? Can’t you find a better way to get into the Gennis Book of World Records?” While 4 kids won’t get me in there, I don’t think that was his point. He has been taught, and believes, that children are a burden, they take up way too much time and no one in their right mind would want more than necessary. And it makes me quite sad to know of the joys and thrills that children can bring, and so many people are missing out.
I’ll take the stares. I’ll take the rude comments. I’ll take the assumption that we’re irresponsible. I’ll take my children right along with me and tell anyone who asks, or listen, how precious each one of them are.
When #4 was just born, I went to the store with all in toe. A woman asked me “how do you do it?” My answer? “They are good kids and I have wonderful helpers”. The woman just looked at me. She turned to her friend and repeated what I said. Now we all know that’s not the only reason “how I do it” or how any of us do it. But it was a chance to honor my children, to put them in a place of value and, perhaps, give a peek to this woman of the blessing called “children”.
Jennifer
Comment by Jennifer D (February 22, 2007 @ 9:03 pm )
I “hear” many of the commenting moms struggling over family planning and multiple C-sections, and I just wanted to write that praying with your husband is necessary and powerful! God will give wisdom to those who ask Him. Also, God gave us “signs” that guide us in naturally spacing children (Naturally Family Planning), if this is what He is leading us to do. This is not outside of the box of allowing God to space our children. We had many years between our second and third child, and the Lord truly used that time to do what should have happened before having children, and before our marriage! The Lord might want to restore our health to the way He created it to be, or He may have years of “moderate feminism” to work out of us, or He might want something more for the children we have now. The Lord knows where we came from and where we’re going, and He also knows what will bear the most fruit in the generations to come. His picture might look different from ours…
Thank you, Amy for your words and humble heart. I enjoy your blog and sense of humor.
Comment by Christy (February 22, 2007 @ 9:11 pm )
Amy, this is my first time reading your post. I found you from Biblical womanhood and am THRILLED! I agree 100% with how sick and sad our society has become in encouraging women to choose a career (and everything selfish) over precious babies. I find that one of the most horrible realizations is that many Christian women have bought into Satan’s lies also… believing that everything else in life is more important than raising a family. You certainly wouldn’t want to be labeled as “just a stay-at-home mom.”
I wrote a few similar paragraphs to yours on my blog a few days ago and am so thankful there are indeed a few other women out there who hold my same beliefs. Again, thank you for your boldness and standing up for the truth among us mommies!
Comment by Sheri (February 22, 2007 @ 9:13 pm )
I’m a mom of 2 under 2. Thanks so much for your posts- my heart and hands are strenthened for the work!
Comment by Leah (February 22, 2007 @ 10:37 pm )
There are a couple of women who commented on struggling with multiple C/S. I have had five and am heading toward my sixth, God willing. Our last doctor gave us the doom and gloom story and threatened that I would likely die and leave all my beautiful children motherless if we had any more children. We tried to be “good” while waiting to get a second opinion, and the Lord had His way in spite of us. (I don’t mean an imaculate conception–we just slipped–once!
) Then we decided that this would be our last regardless if we miscarried or went full term. After I had to say this out loud to doctors and nurses a few times, I really started to reconsider, because we had, after all, decided to let God be in control. I mentioned to my husband what I was thinking and he responded that he was relieved that I was open to more kids–I thought HE was the one set on being done! God is good. If He decides that my husband needs to raise the blessings alone, then so be it. We have decided to make ourselves available to Him. I must admit it has not been easy to take this step. But, I trusted Him as my Lord. And I will do His will. Oh, by the way, our new doctor was truely mystified as to why our old doctor would have said what she did. As far as she is concerned–she sees no issues with this pregnancy. Praise the Lord!
Comment by Another Heather (February 22, 2007 @ 10:43 pm )
Dear, dear ladies, This might be a novel, but bear with me. I’m a high-forty something mom of 7 children. This post struck a chord deep in my heart.
I too got pills just before we got married 28 years ago; I too got sick. We started using another method of birth control which was totally messy, gross, and interrupted everything. We’d been married about 9 months by that time and decided we were ready to start our family. So what if we “only waited” until 18 months for our firstborn’s arrival instead of 2 years like everyone else we knew in our conservative church was doing?
And I didn’t get pregnant for 6 months.
That was forever when you’re 19 years old and healthy and believed that pregancy was easily done. I mean, how many times had I heard in school to “use precautions every time”? Even though I was committed to virginity until marriage, I still heard the message. Getting pregnant should have been easy.
During that 6 months God really worked in my heart. I was reading straight through the Bible. Have you ever noticed how many times childbearing is referred to as a blessing? Have you ever noticed how many times Scripture says “and the Lord closed her womb” or “the Lord opened her womb”? Each and every time God opened or closed the womb He had a specific plan or purpose in mind. Samuel was born at just the right time for the nation of Israel; so was John the Baptist. I began to realize that I might have the power to say “NO” to children, I had no power to create children. And I began to realize that God has given husbands and wives the distinct privilege of joining Him in His work of creation.
During this same time I was attending a ladies’ Bible study at our church on the topic of the names of God. He opened my eyes to see that my image of Him was too small and that I wasn’t living out what I said I believed about Him.
One area He hit me with right then was to trust Him for our family, not just for the first baby we desperately wanted and weren’t conceiving, but for every other one He might have planned.
Seven children later, I’ve lived through all you ladies have mentioned; the snide comments: (non-Christians think you should stop with 2, Christians with 3…after all doesn’t the Psalmist say “Three children are a blessing from the Lord and any more aren’t?” But after 4 they all agree you’re crazy.);the questioning parents and relatives (We didn’t even tell my parents about baby #6 for a few weeks because we had just dropped the bombshell that we were going to homeschool. It was only barely legal here then.); the sleepless nights and long weary days; the (cloth) diapers, and endless nursing; the questioning of God after a rather tough pregnancy and delivery of #5.
I’m here to tell you, it’s worth it all. It’s worth it all because of the character of God. It’s not about my faith or my strength. It’s about WHO my faith is in and “from whom my help comes.” In it all, God has been my strength and guide. He’s listened to my tears, given me joy and laughter, and caused my faith to grow. It’s been worth it all.
To answer some specific questions: when people make comments choose your response based on how well you know the person and your assessment of the situation. It might be an opportunitiy to teach, but sometimes a quick, humorous reply points out just how personal and inappropriate the comment was. A friend used to reply “no, just passionate Protestants” to those who wanted to know if she was Catholic. My Dad’s neighbor asked, in front of my Dad, if I didn’t know what caused it. I said “well, yes, but it’s too much fun to stop.” He turned 3 shades of red and NEVER said another word through 2 more pregnancies. (Dad didn’t either.)
Also, beware of Drs. and health professionals who over-rate the dangers of c-sections or many pregnancies simply because of their own bias toward small families. I have a good friend who had babies #1-6 C-section due to too much medical interference; had #7 at home naturally, and then had #8 a c-section because of toxemia. At one point early in her life, her Dr. recommended no more babies because of the dangers of c-section. She asked for more specifics and he said one of them was “infertility”. Well, then, why bother with the risk and expense of a tubal ligation? FYI, Ethel Kennedy had all of her baby’s by c-section in the days before the “bikini cut”. There are risks, but be in deep prayer before committing to ending your childbearing over c-section deliveries or the number of pregnancies you’ve already had.
The rewards: after 7+ years of nursing, I”m statistically at 0% risk of breast cancer!!
My adult kids are my friends and they are friends to each other. Now that my kids have “turned out” so wonderfully, I’m not considered crazy anymore, I’m considered “lucky” and “super mom”.
I’m not “lucky”, I’m blessed. I’m not “super mom”, I serve a “super God”. To Him alone be the glory forever and ever.
And may you dear ladies be so blessed. Take heart, continue the climb, the best is yet to come.
Comment by MamaTod (February 22, 2007 @ 10:50 pm )
AMEN Precious Amy!
Amen!
We are on our way past that 2.1 venue as I write. The first u/s is tomorrow!
Sweet blessings!
Renee
Comment by Renee (February 22, 2007 @ 10:53 pm )
Yeah Amy…Little people rule! Four sometimes doesn’t seem like enough to me…but I’m done. I know more and more families with 4 or more. I look at those with one or two children and feel a bit sad for them! I wonder what they say about me? Blessings to you. Kathy
Comment by Kathy Gillen (February 22, 2007 @ 11:00 pm )
First off, thanks to Amy the Humble for speaking truth to power (i.e. culture)
Second……..I’ll direct this to Amy Lu simply because the rest of you seem to be fertilly (yes, I know that’s not a word) blessed. I am normally just an eavesdropper and not a commenter but I didn’t want you (Amy Lu) to feel alone. I also want more children. I have one. He is almost 5. I’ve had 2 miscarriages, one recently and have faced this “suffering” of infertility for 3 years. (As I am writing this I am thinking….what am I doing? qualifying myself to speak on suffering…I am such a worm, I have so much to be thankful for!)
Anyway………..For a woman, other than the desire to be married, there has to be no other deeper longing than the desire for children. When you can’t have them it is not only heartbreaking but confusing. “Children are a blessing from the Lord”…..”be fruitful and multiply”…etc. So one finds oneself asking, “I am willing, Lord. Why are you not blessing me?” I think the answer is that God chooses, in His sovereign will, to bless all of us differently. He also calls us to suffer differently. I know you are thinking……”‘just let me suffer with 5 small children…please, please, please give me throw up to clean up or exploding diapers or a ten month old that won’t sleep through the night! Just watch me do it with a smile on my face and thanksgiving in my heart!” I pray that constantly. But I also know that our suffering is a high calling. We are called to suffer in a way uncommon to most women. We have the opportunity to live, even for a time, without our heart’s desire to wait on God’s desire. To quote Elisabeth Elliot “open hands should characterize the soul’s attitude toward God–open to receive what He wants to give, open to give back what He wants to take.”
Also….our suffering is not for us alone. 2 Cor. 4:15 “For it is all for your sake, so that as grace extends to more and more people it may increase thanksgiving to the glory of God.”
And it is of great comfort knowing that “the Lord is near to the brokenhearted and saves the crushed in spirit.” We are not forsaken.
Now that I have totally high jacked the conversation from many small children to few children to suffering….a prayer…….
“Our soul waits for the Lord; he is our help and our shield. For our heart is glad in him because we trust in his holy name, Let your steadfast love, O Lord be upon us, even as we hope in you.” Psalm 33:20-22 —for all you ladies…fertilly or infertilly blessed
Comment by Amy Faith (February 22, 2007 @ 11:28 pm )
WOW! I’m a man (I think all the comments were from ladies). I just happened onto your blog from the blog of a friend. It is so encouraging to see that, despite how our culture is portrayed by Hollywierd and the news media, there are still many fine Christian women in our society whose worldview is based on the bible, Christianity, and Christian principles. I’m an old man and the youngest of eight children. My sisters and brothers had many children also. God bless you all as you walk with God and lead your children.
By His Grace,
Jim
Comment by Jim (February 22, 2007 @ 11:58 pm )
I’m with you Ammie. I am glad you are speaking up about it. ;0) I always enjoy everything I read when I have the time to stop writing and pop over here to read what you have to say. I would love to have my third or fourth kid… but I think my husband has a bit more convincing to do. Sometimes the hold up is not that the woman is not willing to revert to Quilting days… it is that we have forgotten how (and it’s NOT OK - as you say) and our men are AFRAID.
Comment by sprittibee (February 23, 2007 @ 2:58 am )
Here’s what I’ve learned about birth control. My brother and sister in law got married stating that they would allow God to determine the size of their family. One month later they were pregnant. My family (who has five kids (#4 was a surprise AND TWINS) all rolled our eyes as to say “here we go” they will have like 15 kids”. I got married six weeks before my brother. I was on the pill. I do not have a problem with birth control. Let’s fastforward six years. My brother and his wife have two chilren. A five year old and a two and a half year old. My husband and I have a three year old, a 20 month old and a six month old.
It does not matter if you are trying to have a baby (as any infertile couple will tell you) or trying to NOT have a baby…GOD DETERMINES WHEN THOSE LITTLE ONES WILL COME!!! Now that I have done the three under three, which of course everyone sees us and instantly states, “you’re done now, right!?” As if to say we don’t need/aren’t allowed to have anymore. Our childrena are a joy and we LOVE life with them. We live on a schedule so our children have all been sleeping 10-12 hours a night from about 12 weeks old. (I LOVE the Ezzos). Life isn’t easy, but we mangae it well. God knows what each of us can or cannot handle and doesn’t give us more than we can bear. He gives just enough so we cry out to Him and depend on Him. (Just so you know #3 was a TOTAL surprise and an “impossibilty”.)
Comment by CS (February 23, 2007 @ 6:54 am )
I read here often, though I don’t think I’ve commented before. I just wanted to say that I was encouraged by your words, Amy, and look forward to reading more in this “series”. I am 26 years old and have a son who will be 3 next month, a 15 month old daughter, and #3 due in September. My husband and I agreed, after much soul-searching and prayer, to trust the Lord with our family planning, but I have to admit I was confused and dismayed when I discovered I was pregnant again so soon. The timing, from my limited perspective, is terrible - we are currently living in South Korea, my husband has no job lined up after August and we will likely be moving, traveling overseas and have no health insurance when this baby arrives! I am trying to trust God but finding it so hard. I know his Word tells us that children are a blessing, but I am fighting a real battle in my mind and heart to believe it. Thank you so much for your insights and also to all those who commented about the importance of mothering and the blessing children bring into our lives.
Comment by Jennifer (February 23, 2007 @ 7:15 am )
Thank-You Thank-you,
I’ve felt so alone in all of this I have three kids the oldest being 7 then 3 and 2. Going to three was a big step I was afraid to tell my parents and I knew that it would cause some grief. One Person said to me how does your husband feel, People always look at us like we are some sort of anomaly. I guess we are around here.
Any how I’d love to have more kids but I’ve been afraid. Obviously I need to give this to God.
Oh yeah and Itried the Pill too because it was the thing to do. I was completley crazy but GOD used all that to show me some pretty big things.
Comment by Paula (February 23, 2007 @ 8:00 am )
Hear, hear! I think this is why I’ve turned to the internet for a support group. Everybody I know wants to have the two kids, send them to preschool as soon as possible so mom can go back to work. We have three, are adopting another soon, and plan to homeschool the lot. I get the “I can’t imagine doing what you do!” comment too often. You’re so right, the reason we can’t imagine it is because so few are doing it that we never see it.
I used to think there was something wrong with me, because right after we married I so STRONGLY wanted to start our family, but we’d been taught and counseled by our church to wait AT LEAST two years first. Pshaw! There was nothing wrong with me then, and there’s nothing wrong with me now for wanting more.
What I find most interesting is the very high number of couples who get a dog during that recommended 2-5 year wait, because the wife is so desperate to nurture SOMETHING. Misplaced maternal instinct strikes again!
Comment by KellyM (February 23, 2007 @ 9:13 am )
Enjoy reading this Amy. I do you have a question.
You said, “We want to know that it’s OK to cross-the-line and have Baby #3 (on purpose).”
The real question for me has always been, why are we even looking for ‘validation’ from the culture on how we live our lives? I have a few reasons that come to my mind to that one. But I’m curious to know why you think that is, Amy since that was your obvservation.
Comment by Spunky (February 23, 2007 @ 9:31 am )
Excellenet, excellent post. I agree with you 100%! THANK YOU for sharing this.
Comment by JustJana (February 23, 2007 @ 9:35 am )
If the chief pursuit of man is to glorify God, and He created us to have children that are a blessing, then having a large family does glorify Him. Yes, I’m probably a bit overwhelmed on some days with 6 children, I admit. But the fun and love far outweigh the more difficult days. Those little pills make me quite sick, too. Now that I have 6, people are constantly asking me if I want any more children. When was the last time anyone asked a mother of 2 why she only has 2? In addition, I know many who think it’s just wonderful to send their children off to school every day. Think about this…they’re up until almost 11 PM a couple of nights a week doing homework, they miss church on Wednesday nights because of the homework, and little Ben complains of a child hitting him all day in class every time the teacher turns around. (These are true comments.) Is the pursuit of alone time or lunches out with girlfriends really worth it? I’ll take a day home with 6 fun and funny children any day of the week!
Comment by Nancy (February 23, 2007 @ 9:53 am )
[…] Amy Scott remembers life with three children under three in a series of blog posts here. […]
Comment by SharperIron (February 23, 2007 @ 10:03 am )
Amen!
Comment by Rebekah (February 23, 2007 @ 10:08 am )
You have so many comments, I understand if you dont read this one, too!
I, too, took birth control for a short period when I was first married. It also messed with my hormones and I was a pretty witchy wife for the first few months. It also messed with my periods and I lost abnormal amounts of blood. I’m so thankful for the person who sent me an article about the dangers of oral birth control and how it often aborts fertilized eggs by not allowing them to implant. It breaks my heart to think that I most likely could have had more babies before the ones I have. I thank God for his forgiveness and for the sweet knowledge that if I did have tiny babies during that period, they are now with Jesus.
People don’t just think we’re crazy for wanting a large family, they actually think it is wrong. They think we’re sacrificing our children’s financial ‘needs’ by having more on a low income. I thank the Lord for families who see that children are a blessing and do not refuse them.
Comment by My husband's wife (February 23, 2007 @ 10:52 am )
Love this post! I only have two (so far), a 2 y/o girl and 3 y/o boy (15 months apart). When I got pregnant with my second when my first was 6 months old, everyone asked me, “Don’t you know what causes that?” I went off the birth control pill when we had been married for five years in order to get pregnant with my son, and I have not gone back on it, nor will I ever. Thank you for your honesty.
Comment by Valerie (February 23, 2007 @ 11:29 am )
How do we find support? How can we change things? Can one 23-year-old with no kids make a difference in a church full of people older than her with 2.5 children who are horrified at the idea of more? And if not, where can she go if she lives in the most liberal state in the US? How can I find likeminded people–if there are any? How can I find people who believe in the first commandment when so few believe any of the pentateuch at all, especially Genesis?
I am looking forward to your part #2, where you solve all the problems of the lonely quiver-minded and, incidently, create world peace and end hunger.
-YCW, mother of 6 under 1 whom I hope to meet someday.
Comment by Young Christian Woman (February 23, 2007 @ 12:24 pm )
Ditto to everything YCW just asked.
Sarah
Comment by Sarah (February 23, 2007 @ 12:28 pm )
Well said Amy. This post hits home as I have been wading through these issues with my husband over the past six months. Thanks for your honesty and delight in life as it’s meant to be!
Comment by Kristie (February 23, 2007 @ 12:46 pm )
Thank you for these posts - I’ve been reading here for a couple of weeks, and I am just quietly astounded at the truths you share, and the SIMILARITIES between us all as mama’s.
Comment by Elise (February 23, 2007 @ 1:04 pm )
Well, I’m going to toss in my two cents even though at the end of a long thread like this it might not be read
I also picked up that nasty prescription three months before I was married, and soon became terribly ill. I was switched from pill to pill, had a miserable honeymoon as honeymoons go, and finally stopped after five months…the result was a physically and emotionally devestating hormonal disorder at the age of 22. Chronic fatigue, weight gain, depression, sexual side effects, etc. It took years of eating whole foods and taking supplements to correct. During this time we sought God on what he would have us do with our family planning (HINT: best to do this before the wedding!!!!!)…what a surprise when God spoke to BOTH of us separately to hand it to Him (no, I don’t hear God speaking to me audibly about too many things…we are not talking a feeling or an impression here). He at the same time showed me that he was going to use this to work on my character and would bless me through it. My oldest just turned 5 and #4 is due in eight weeks. Yes, sometimes it’s scary. Sometimes I feel like I’m yelling so much and I don’t know how to stop. But it’s wonderful (raising my children, not yelling). It’s real life, life lived for what God would have me do and not to blend in as a typical American Christian woman. Yes, I have a lot to say to people when they ask me about this issue, but I strive to do so with gentleness and grace, but mostly I would say that if you are in this season of your life and have questions, pray and ask. The opionions of man really hold no value when at the end of the day what matters is the plan of the one who created you, saved you, sustains you, and longs to bless you. I don’t see what God has done with my life as cruel or harsh…it’s beautiful. It doesn’t have to be easy or comfortable to be called “good”.
Comment by Stephanie (February 23, 2007 @ 1:11 pm )
I so agree. Women have lost something so important (fellowship, community, and teaching!) in this era.
I am finding it hard to connect with other young moms, though. Even the ones that stay home are SO BUSY it’s impossible for them to find time to sit with a cup of tea and talk.
Comment by Margaret (February 23, 2007 @ 1:32 pm )
Margaret, you are so right!! I am busy here, too. But it is busy at home–I could make time for a visit, but no one else is home!
Comment by Another Heather (February 23, 2007 @ 2:01 pm )
Your current topic is so close to my heart, as a
year ago, we jumped from having 3 kids under five, to having 5 kids under five, with the births of twin boys. I understand now why people say having twins is A LOT different than having one. I could write a whole letter on
that alone.
Here’s the big lesson I learned. And it’s big. I wish I’d learned it when my first child was born.
Anticipating a dificult first year with newborn twins and three other young children needing attention, my husband wisely said to me: “I think we need to take a year off”.
We did.
That meant no small groups, no swimming lessons, no bible studies, no parent councils, no trips, noone staying with us, etc.
We focused our energy (what little there was of it. :-)) on our sweet family.
The result?
WOW! WOW!! WOW!!!
Although this past year has been one of the hardest and most demanding, and by far produced the least amount of sleep, in an odd sense, it was somewhat less stressful. We’ve always been believers in not over-commiting
ourselves, but we were still surprised at just how freeing it was to have no responsiblities outside of our little home.
Now understand that we are moving out of that inward-focused time. We’re getting involved once again in things, which is important, both for us and for our kids. But we learned a valuable lesson over this past year. We
certainly won’t take on as many commitments as before.
We want to raise our children with an understanding that serivce is important, both to our community and to our church. But you know, we just may take a sabbatical year again sometime as a family.
‘Twas a sweet, sweet year!
Blessings!
Chris from Canada
Comment by chris (February 23, 2007 @ 3:52 pm )
Wonderful post! Wonderful and tender comments! Again, thank you for blogging.
I would like to engourage women to be educated about birth controll pills. Even if you no longer take them you can help educate other sisters in love. Randy Alcorn has a booklet that gives much needed information. You can find it at http://www.epm.org/articles/bcpill2.html.
Also,Nancy Leigh DeMoss at revivourhearts.com has been teaching on Proverbs 31 and you can listen to archived messages at the website. She is such and encourager of Biblical womanhood and has some great wisdom about finding mentors.
Stacy
Comment by Stacy (February 23, 2007 @ 5:00 pm )
I agree with you. It is hard being 31 and having been married for 14 years and having 4 children 11, 9, 5 and 2. It’s almost like the Grandmas are scratching their heads like I’m nuts. Maybe they feel like I had the chance to break free that they never had. I am fortunate enough to have several friends that share my ideals. My best friend just yesterday finally fell upon why so many women put their children in daycare. Cuz it’s not easy to stay at home and do literally everything! But when you look upon your duty as your delight, and realize that this is the Lord’s will for women it feels great knowing I am in His hands and have 100% of His strength backing me. And as I’m sure everyone has heard “They don’t stay little forever” Enjoy the spit-up and the potty chair. You’ll be tripping over your sensible shoes soon enough.
Comment by Carmen (February 24, 2007 @ 2:10 am )
Hi Amy,
Haven’t commented in a while, but have loved this series you have going here!
The Lord has blessed us with three beautiful children ages 10, 7 and 2. We have also suffered three miscarriages all with complications. It has been heartbreaking at times. I love my three children incredibly and feel blessed every day (including even after I found a red pencil drawing on the wall today!). I am praying and trusting in God that we are not done yet. It really is out of our hands.
I love the verse in Isaiah that says (in my words) God will gently lead those who have young.
He does!
Mel
Comment by Mel (February 24, 2007 @ 7:58 am )
Spunky,
I’m dancing around here, because I don’t think I understand your question completely. For the young mother, I think she knows that she will need outside support to do this, and how does she get it if those around her think that since she got herself “into this mess” then they shouldn’t be responsible for getting her out. For myself, I don’t much care anymore, but that’s only because I’ve grown into my skin.
Back then, I wanted to live in peace within my Christian subculture (not the broader culture). It was a matter of routine and responsibility; good Christians vote, wear seatbelts, and take their pills… Nowadays, there is part of me that says “Be radically Biblical!” and another part that retorts, “The Bible says to live in peace with all men” (and what if I’m not being radically Biblical, just radically annoying?!). In other words, I want it to be the gospel that offends (I Cor. 1), but sometimes I fail in that respect. We don’t live in a family-friendly type community, and when I say that it didn’t occur to me that it’d be OK to have a third, I seriously mean it.
I suppose it’d be helpful to be able to find a 10-foot dining room table in-stock and “family-size” meals that didn’t suffice for a bunch of anorexics, but I don’t hold my breath waiting for the broader culture to become family friendly.
On the flip side, to address what YCW was saying, I’m going to go out on a limb here. While I think it’s fun sometimes to hang with people who are stocked up on sippy cups, I’ve found “likemindedness” to be overrated. (This isn’t a critique of your question, YCW, as it is a good one. Crystal at Biblical Womanhood is talking about it over there.) A couple dozen comments up, Tina mentioned something about looking for older mentors that don’t necessarily look like you. I agree.
I asked a 60-ish divorced mother of 2 to meet with me every other week. We did this for a long time before a move separated us. She pointed me to Jesus, just like my other spiritual mother, Elisabeth Elliot, did for years (through her books) when I was a teenager and had nobody at all.
Sometimes when we’re moving in circles where everyone looks like us, it is easy to get hyper-focused on micro- issues. (“She lets her kids do Winnie the Pooh!?! Hark! The heretic!”) We’ve known well one other family that “looked like us” in a lot of ways, but I can’t begin to tell you how badly we disappointed them.
The friends who surround us don’t look like us. They have small families on purpose (“Amy! You’re nuts!” to which I respond, “Tell me something I don’t know…Come on!”), choose various schooling options, and a million other things. These are our friends who love Jesus, and I suspect that I have a boatload of annoying attributes that they put up with.
The Church is not homogenous. While I think that those who poke fun of traditional women should try to be forbearing and encouraging, I find that I still have a ways to go in making myself likeable and humble.
Something I learned (the hard way) about making friends and getting through these lonely years is to value loyalty over the number of things we have in common.
Comment by Amy Scott (February 24, 2007 @ 9:08 am )
Thank you.
A Mommy with 2 under 2 with tears in her eyes!
Comment by Christi Lachney (February 24, 2007 @ 10:19 am )
I’m commenting on the 3 under 3 musings. A friend of mine turned me on to your site - too cute, too encouraging. I’m a mom of 3 under 1. Well, i’m exaggerating - I’m a mom of 3 under 1 year and 1 month. Bryce was born 1/24/06 and my twins Eva and Vaughn 12/13/06. Yes - the IRS will audit us this year. I also lost my mom in ‘06 to breast cancer - a fight the doctors felt sure she’d win - turns out they knew very little about the rare form she had.
After a year of infertility and 2 endometriosis surgeries, I pictured my husband of 6 years and I enjoying a “madonna and child” - like experience with family gathered round ready to lend a hand. Yep - didn’t happen like that. I spent the first few precious weeks of Bryce’s life away from my husband and in Florida taking care of my dad and 20 year old sisters while mom lay dying in a hospital bed - we took turns being by her side, running the house, and trying to find time to laugh and enjoy this beautiful little distraction God sent us.
It seems God works mightily through distraction - shortly after my mom’s funeral, we found out we were pregnant again - this time - twins! No, we didn’t plan this - yes, we did embrace this. My mom was also a mother of twins. Could God have taken a cue from her as she lay in his arms the same way as He took cues from Moses. Please don’t think me disrespectful in anyway - but did He not allow Moses to change His all-powerful mind in several incidences?!?
So, here I sit in 2007 - minus one mom, plus 3 babies. Surely this was never my plan, but what do I know. Father knows best, and boy am I blessed!
Had anyone told me what lie ahead for me in 2006, I would never have believed it - but God brings beauty from ashes! My dad has met a beautiful soul - a never married, God fearing, Southern belle of 60 who he believes God set aside just for him. My sisters thrive and continue on in the same bountiful spirit my mom placed in them. My brother and his family of (heavens no!) 5 - continue to procreate and live in harmony guided by the Spirit; and my husband and I sit in awe of the 2 princes and 1 princess we thought we’d never have.
So keep on keepin’ on moms! We serve a mighty God who turns ashes into beauty - and, dare I say, boogers and poop into diamonds and pearls. God is good.
Comment by Erika (February 24, 2007 @ 11:52 am )
Thank you thank you thank you Amy! We are out here, and even if the only families I meet with the same attitude toward children are on the internet, its still such an encouragement!
Comment by Catherine (February 24, 2007 @ 12:39 pm )
Greetings Amy,
I’m new to your site and I started reading your posts a few days ago. I’ve enjoyed your series on little ones and I’ve had a few chuckles along the way. The reason I’m posting is to say thank you, today’s post really touched my heart. I find there are times when I’m in such need of encouragement. I’m amazed how far in the vortex I can fall. I’m a mama to seven 11, 9, 8, 6, 4, 2 and 8 months. And, yes, unfortunately encouragement is not to be found in the body of believers much less those outside. Pleading ones case is like setting yourself before a firing squad. So, I’m grateful to you and those who’ve shared.
Blessings to you and yours,
Celeste
Comment by Celeste (February 24, 2007 @ 2:02 pm )
Amy,
My husband introduced me to your site, and I love it! I have children 3.5yrs, 2yrs, and 4.5months. In reading your posts as well as many of the comments, I have again been reminded how important it is to trust God’s provision of grace for us in the midst of motherhood. I’m with you, I don’t just want to survive these days, but I want to find joy and fullfillment in them. Birth control is a touchy subject, but if anyone is interested in reading a book shedding light on what God’s Word says about it, I would recommend, A Full Quiver, by Rick and Jan Hess. It is excellent, although as always, you should filter it through the Word of God. Thank you for taking the time to encourage those of us just starting on the path.
Comment by Stephanie (February 24, 2007 @ 9:03 pm )
Thank you so much for your encouragement. I am 28 yr. old mom of five children ages 5,4,3,1, and 1 week old. You were like water in a dry land for me today! I have lately been VERY weary of the comments like: “I hope you can have a little break between this one and the next one.” and “I hope you are thinking of your health.” I love my children, but sometimes I feel like I’m the only one out there. With 91 comments on this post- and I read every single one…I can be encouraged that I am NOT the only one out there! Recently, I have been learning two things: 1. God doesn’t want ME to be successful, He only wants me to NEED Him. 2. He dwells in the land of impossibilities. Now I know that I need Him, He meets the needs, and I’m not alone.
Praise God for His blessings- even when I feel as though I should employ duct tape as a babysitter.
Comment by maldrich (February 24, 2007 @ 9:09 pm )
I just started a “Birth Control blog”, partly to create a place to rant, instead of doing it in my bathroom and having my kids walk in and say “Mom, who are you talking to?” And partly because it GRIEVES me when the evangelical community has bought the world’s lie about children, hook line and sinker. I also wrote an article called “The Mission Field of Children” in which my point was, “Let me be tired sometimes, and overwhelmed, and even downright frustrated.” I don’t have to look like I can juggle 7 children, the perfect dinner, the spotless house and orchestrate three women’s Bible studies flawlessly in order to get a license to have lots of children. Sometimes what God calls us to is HARD. Motherhood is no exception. Sacrifice…”present your bodies a living sacrifice”. Isn’t motherhood a beautiful way to lay down my life?!
Comment by Kelly (February 24, 2007 @ 9:25 pm )
Amy,
I just wanted to add my hearty “Amen” and to thank you for the encouragement. This is a subject very near and dear to my heart. The Lord has given us 5 little ones (plus one in heaven) ages just turned 6 to just turned one.
As I look into the faces of my precious children I can see the hand of God in the life of each one.
I have never been so exhausted in my whole life, but I would not trade one second of this sweet chaos for anything else. As I learn to lay down my life and truly, truly, trust the Lord, He proves Himself faithful over and over again.
I thought I’d pass on a song that has been a great blessing to me this week. The Lord used it to give me some much needed encouragment. I’ve listened to it over and over and don’t think I’ve made it through yet without tears in my eyes! Here’s the link: http://www.cmusicweb.com/halloran/discography.html The song is “If God Says They’re Gifts”
God bless you Amy!
Jennifer
Comment by Jennifer (February 24, 2007 @ 10:21 pm )
Amy, I am so thankful for your blog. You hit the nail on the head so many times! Your words are often my thoughts…but a bit more eloquent! We have been married for 13 years this summer. We have so graciously been given (after 1 1/2 sad years of birth control) 6 children 9 and under (9, 8, 6, 4, 2, 1)…3 boys, 3 girls. We have discovered there are a series of questions that a couple has through their stage of life. When they first get married it’s “When are you going to have children?”…then once you have the first it’s “When are you going to give so-and-so a brother/sister?” Then when you have baby number 3 it’s “Are you done or are you going to have one more?”. Then after 3 it’s “You’re done, right?”. Then after number 4 it’s the stupid questions and comments…named in previous comments here. It’s a shame that people are so offended by children. When I asked our midwife for an honest opinion if she thought it was safe for me to have any more children she said so preciously “If you will miss the next little soul that the Lord might give your family then by all means…” That’s my deciding factor. I have days where I pray for a certified letter from the Lord that states “Thou art done bringing forth fruit…your womb is hereby closed for business.” But then some days I want dozens and dozens of little ones. So…I lean on that thought from our midwife and decide to let the Lord lead because I wouldn’t be able to stand the wondering about what the next would have been like because I interrupted. I hope that made sense!
Just my 2 cents.
Comment by Carmen (February 25, 2007 @ 12:25 am )
96 comments? Wow.
I just stopped by since TWTM is down this morning. The blogroll was up, so I decided to stop by some of the blogs I’ve never visited. I’m glad I stopped. I remember those days of wee ones, talking to no one taller than 3 feet tall, thinking I may never rub two thoughts against each other again… Today I have 3 teenagers. It’s a different kind of intensity: more going, less time at home; always sitting in the passenger seat (frequently holding on the to seat); college searches and fafsa; waving goodbye as they head out to contests and trips, and during the quiet hours, the prayer shawl grows…; being older and not having the same amount of energy, so even though I have more time to myself, I am still maxed out.
And so it goes. Life is good.
Jean
Comment by Jean in Wisconsin (February 25, 2007 @ 9:22 am )
Amy, What do you remember about grocery shopping with three–three and under? Beloved is deployed a lot and grocery shopping I predict will be my challenge.
Comment by Cara (February 25, 2007 @ 11:14 am )
Cara, I just want to pass on an article by Molly Aley that I thought was awesome, about the subject of grocery shopping with lots of little ones.
Check out this link:
http://www.atozkidsstuff.com/article45.html
I hope that helps,
Sarah
Comment by Sarah (February 25, 2007 @ 12:10 pm )
Amy, I have nothing intelligent to say. I just wanted to make the 100th comment.
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