All needing something
Thursday, Oct 18, 2007
After I wrote about “being there” for your children, several people wondered how a woman does that when there are “5, 6, 7 of them all needing something. I mean this question with all due respect.” Answer: She gives away the dog.
Oh! You wanted a different answer. OK. I’m not making this up. My life is too ironic to have to stretch the truth. So my oldest comes to me out of the blue while my comment box is going hog wild on the subject and says, “I want to be the oldest of 12 children.” I coughed and sputtered at my son since I’m half-dead from carrying this sixth and can’t imagine being only halfway there right now. (You think I’m kidding, but I think it really will be the end of me if I vomit anymore.) But really, they love it. They love their brothers and sisters and don’t want it any other way.
And it’s not like my older ones don’t make the connection. They know that we decline invitations, go home early, and miss out on stuff because we have babies and toddlers that need naps and other such tending. They don’t care. They’re used to giving up for the sake of one another. And that’s a good thing to learn in a country built on consumerism. It also makes you a pleasant person to be around because you know how to think of other people before yourself.
Greg’s side of the family had a mini-reunion at his sister’s wedding last weekend. Greg’s dad is the second of nine children, all of whom are walking with God. Many people tell me, “You just wait. When they grow up, they go their own way and there’s nothing you can do about it.” But I hold onto the fact that these nine out of nine all love God and have served Him as pastors, missionaries, and elders in the Church. In fact, the oldest, Greg’s uncle who turned 75 last weekend, sat me down and said, “I’m glad you’re having a large family. It’s the best. I wouldn’t go back and change a thing. [They grew up poor during the Depression.] I can’t tell you what it means to see young families who love God having children.”
In that moment, I forgot about how very awful I feel. How tired I am. How inadequate I’ve been. Some of you take my jesting lightly, but I really have been vomiting, tired, and/or practically useless to my family these past months. We will see the other side soon, and it will all be worth it.
So, really, how does a woman with several little ones “do” it? I talk to my girls while I brush their hair instead of listening to talk radio. I take my son grocery shopping and split a sub between us at the deli instead of going alone. I fill up their cups so that they are free to pour themselves into one another: my olders reading to the babies, my athletic nine-year-old content with a wild toddler as an afternoon playmate, my five-year-old singing the alphabet to the three-year-old. I give as much as I can and then trust God for the rest.

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Thank you Amy, for the reminders. Loved how you ended…”give as much as you can and then trust God for the rest.” You have been an inspiration to me at how you keep going amidst the awful stuff you’ve been experiencing. Almost there. Way to go!
Comment by Sharon (October 18, 2007 @ 10:46 pm )
Amen and amen!! Thanks for putting it so well, again, Amy. You’ll be on the foggy side of 2:00 am breastfeedings soon, Hang in there! It is worth it and God gives grace.
Comment by Another Heather (October 18, 2007 @ 10:56 pm )
Perfect, Amy…just perfect. Thanks for the encouragement. Even those of us who haven’t been blessed with such numbers can use this exhortation with the few He *has* entrusted to our care.
Comment by Grafted Branch@Restoring the Years (October 18, 2007 @ 10:59 pm )
Wonderful, Amy. How completely true! Thanks!
Comment by Brea (October 18, 2007 @ 10:59 pm )
Hang in their Amy! You are a blessed mother doing a terrific job!! These last few weeks are the hardest especially with little children. When you get nearer to your twelfth child, the older ones will be even older and a tremendous blessing and help. It has been such a blessing to have a 17 year old and 14 year old as my two oldest with the birth of now 3 month old, Noah. And, I can barely remember the months on the sofa… just barely. ~wink~
Comment by Lady Why (October 18, 2007 @ 11:02 pm )
Thank you, Amy. I am choked up right now, as I can relate with my own 9-, 7-, 5-, 2-, and 1-year-olds right now. It makes me really appreciate the time I have with them, and that they have with each other. I wouldn’t change a THING!
P.S., you’re still barfing?!?! I’m so sorry.
Comment by Sheila (October 18, 2007 @ 11:30 pm )
Wow Amy. What a balm to my weary soul right now. While a mom of 5, I only have 3 that are 7 and under, with the youngest being 3 months. Between the very sick pregnancy and the sleep deprived postpartum, not much has been accomplished lately, including school. Overwhelmed has been an understatement.
How simple and comforting. Words I needed to hear. Thanks for the encouragement.
Comment by Michelle (October 18, 2007 @ 11:30 pm )
Beautifully written! I needed the reminder, even if I only have 2 kids. I think our kids would all be better off if we actually focused on them more during the moments we have with them.
Great thoughts! Thanks for sharing!
Comment by Melissa (October 18, 2007 @ 11:31 pm )
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Pingback by Links for Thursday, October 18, 2007 at RickBeckman.org (October 18, 2007 @ 11:34 pm )
Thank you for your words of encouragement and challenge. I appreciate it.
Mary Beth
Comment by Mary Beth (October 18, 2007 @ 11:41 pm )
My college age daughters still come into my room, lie on the bed, and many times, we don’t even talk. It’s just the presence of each other that we enjoy. Right now, the baseball playoffs are on TV (when my husband isn’t switching to the Rutgers/USF football game) and three of my daughters are on my bed sitting w/me. We raised ten kids in a three bedroom, one bath house and w/small quarters like that, they had to get along. With the exception of the two youngest, they are all adults, but they still talk, email, IM and text message each other ALL the time. They call us constantly, too. Just today, my husband was sitting in the driveway after he returned home from work this evening and it took him some time to come through the door. When he finally came in the house, he told me that our son had called and they were chatting it up. It doesn’t get any better…and we are grateful.
Comment by Cathy (October 18, 2007 @ 11:52 pm )
Great post as usual but what I really want to know is did you give up the dog?
Comment by Janet (October 19, 2007 @ 1:45 am )
AMEN! With our two older sons, a 3 year old, another one the way from China and being open to however many more God blesses us with - it was encouraging to hear your honesty and how God meets the needs in abundance in and through your family.
BLessings to you in these last weeks1
Comment by Lisa (October 19, 2007 @ 1:58 am )
Amy, what a blessing you are!
Thank you for jogging my memory for all of the happy times I had as a child. I was raised by a mother that too, felt her family came first before outside commitments. We were very poor, constantly dirty little redneck farm kids that were delighted to go to town once a week and the county fair and 4th of July parade once a year. None of us EVER spent the night at away from home, nor went to many social events and we loved it! As adults, none of us would change a thing and are thrilled our folks cared enough to raise us as a large, tight family unit with very reduced outside influences.
Take Care,
Trixie
Comment by trixie (October 19, 2007 @ 5:20 am )
What a way to start my day and think about how precious my children are before I rouse them awake. Thank you for those words of wisdom.
Comment by AmyT (October 19, 2007 @ 7:06 am )
I loved this post Amy! As Elisabeth Elliot says just “do the next thing”
Blessings to you and yours, dear.
Comment by Niki (October 19, 2007 @ 7:23 am )
And I worry about have a 3 yr old with a newborn!
Thanks for the encouragement and insight!
Comment by Lu (October 19, 2007 @ 8:05 am )
As the mother of 7 children, all homeschooled, 2 married, one in college and 4 still at home, I say AMEN. My children are each others best friends. The older ones play with the younger ones and enjoy doing it. They don’t feel like they are missing out on anything, because they have each other.
Comment by Robin in New Jersey (October 19, 2007 @ 8:15 am )
Only metaphorically. When he ran away the other week, I certainly didn’t load up the kids in the van and cruise the neighborhood streets. Nope, I just shut the door. He came back, though.
He’s on my last nerve because he “doesn’t do” crumbs. What blasted dog doesn’t do crumbs? He’ll eat a cracker that is whole on the floor, but if someone steps on it (which is a given), he turns up his nose. Now, that’s just worthless.
Now, he is a male Boxer–excellent with babies and children but wary of strangers and intimidating, for sure. Intelligent, but obviously not too intelligent, as he’d make more effort to win me over. “Thin ice” is all I have to say.
Comment by Amy Scott (October 19, 2007 @ 8:17 am )
Amy,
Isn’t it funny that such a simple comment like from Greg’s uncle can change your perspective so easily? I find that very often in my own life: we mamas in this day in age are thirsty for encouragment, especially from elders. (olders.) It can just give us that push we need. Something I file in my memory (for now, of course) but also in prep to be a Titus 2 woman. Keep plugging, my dear. You’re doing fantastic.
Comment by Andrea (October 19, 2007 @ 9:10 am )
Wonderful post, Amy. We’re expecting #7 soon, and was nodding all the way through your words. Here is a link to a little encouragement when you’re tired, make that bone deep exhausted and wondering if you can “do” this.
http://lifeslittlesteps.blogspot.com/2007/10/just-what-i-needed.html
Comment by Myfriendconnie@Smockity Frocks (October 19, 2007 @ 9:43 am )
What an encouraging post, Amy. When we are faithful to God, despite feeling inadequate, He will more than make up for what we lack. You are doing an incredible job; I am praying for you.
Comment by Christine (October 19, 2007 @ 10:57 am )
By the way, my dog ran away the other day. When someone stood out on my front porch, holding her, asking if she was mine, I wanted to say no. She is a very unintelligent, frustrating dog.She used to be an indoor dog, but that did not last too long. So I completely understand about the dog thing.I thought children required patience, but my dog reminds me just how easy caring for children can be. Yes, she’s that bad.
Comment by Christine (October 19, 2007 @ 11:01 am )
I love your son’s comment! My children all tell me they want to add to their ranks and a dozen is the target here too. So far there’s no sign of #8. I’ll freely admit that I’m grateful for the break but they all think I’m slacking. Daughter #1 is praying for twins so we can “catch up”. Heavens…
There are times when I feel I can’t possibly be meeting all their needs. I wonder if I ask too much of them when they work alongside me or if they feel deprived because we usually can’t swing the meals out, the movies and vacations that more “normal” families enjoy.
When they all tell me they’d like to have more brothers and sisters to vie for my attention, to add to the mess and the noise and the clutter it amazes and humbles me. Somehow they’ve learned better than I have that God’s children are so worth hard work and sacrifice!
They’re all planning to have lots of children when they’re married too. I’m looking forward to that, but the way my mind is going I may have to make the grandkids wear nametags when they come to visit.
Comment by Kerrie (October 19, 2007 @ 11:14 am )
Amy - I’m so glad you’re nearing the finish line. Just remember when you’re feeling useless that you’re doing something for your family that no one else can da!
Comment by Shannon Miller (October 19, 2007 @ 11:18 am )
When your page popped up, I was laughing hysterically at the picture of the mom and child. By the end of the message I was crying because I want that too. The sad part is that I won’t be having more children. A huge part is due to health but a small part is out of selfishness, mostly fear of going crazy. And now I am sorry that I didn’t trust God enough or maybe trusted too much but either way, I don’t get to carry a child in my womb or nurse another babe at my breast. I listened to everyone, including my pastor who said that it is the best since my and my child’s health was in danger and that this has to be a sign from God that it is ok to stop. But still, the longing is here already and my youngest is only 6 months old. I can only pray that the ache eases as grandchildren are born. I only wish I had the wisdom and strength to have carried on and had a dozen more. This is what it is about, the sacrifice of one for the other, of knowing God and raising up future generations. Thank you Amy for posting this and thank you for carrying on amid the horrible nausea that has plagued you. God bless you and yours.
Comment by Christian Faith (October 19, 2007 @ 11:27 am )
Beautifully put. Thank you.
Comment by Baleboosteh (October 19, 2007 @ 1:55 pm )
I can so relate to the post before mine. I wish I could have had a large family too but had to have my uterus removed after severe complications at the time of my son’s birth. I see others post of a quiverful but I’ve come to believe that mine must be full–no, it wasn’t my choice but it was God’s and Who better to leave it up to! Isn’t that what a quiverful is all about anyway? However, it doesn’t mean that I don’t feel the pangs sometimes. I loved this post, Amy.
Comment by Amy (October 19, 2007 @ 2:00 pm )
I only have two children but came from a family of five and always thought I would have a big family. It is great to see a family that just spends time together and loves each other. It’s a gift your children will always have.
Blessings,
Debbie aka The Real World Martha
Comment by Debbie (October 19, 2007 @ 2:06 pm )
Amy,
Thank you for answering my question. And your answer and other people’s comments have really blessed me. I’m afraid right now we don’t live by anyone who I can go to and ask these sorts of questions. Christians and non think we’re absolutely daft for wanting more (like I said earlier we have 2 boys(and one who never made it to earth but went straight to the Father). My oldest who’s 3 always asks when we’re going to have more babies and his brother is only 1. Again thank you and everyone else who blog about raising families for the Lord, it is so encouraging for those of us coming up behind you.
We’ll be praying for you and that yours.
Comment by Taneesha (October 19, 2007 @ 2:25 pm )
Amy,
Thank you for answering my question. And your answer and other people’s comments have really blessed me. I’m afraid right now we don’t live by anyone who I can go to and ask these sorts of questions. Christians and non think we’re absolutely daft for wanting more (like I said earlier we have 2 boys(and one who never made it to earth but went straight to the Father). My oldest who’s 3 always asks when we’re going to have more babies and his brother is only 1. Again thank you and everyone else who blog about raising families for the Lord, it is so encouraging for those of us coming up behind you.
We’ll be praying for you and yours.
Comment by Taneesha (October 19, 2007 @ 2:26 pm )
Ahh, sorry that posted twice.
Comment by Taneesha (October 19, 2007 @ 2:27 pm )
Taneesha, we’re a “daft” family too. And my oldest (4.5) is always pestering me for “more babies”.
I think there are quite a few of us out there. Just widely geographically scattered!
Comment by Margaret (October 19, 2007 @ 3:36 pm )
What a blessing all these families are. Like some other posts, I have 2 children. I am somewhat envious of those who have 4, 5, 6, or more kids. I always wanted to have about 5 children, but I am infertile. The Lord has blessed me with 2 children through adoption whom I wouldn’t trade for 5 biological children. I’m now 40 and have lupus and therefore more adoptions are not in our future. However, because of my smaller family and other circumstances I have been able to serve others more.
But those that can, keep on bringing those little babies into the world! We need large Christian families in America where the devout Christian population seems to be decreasing.
Comment by Marie (October 19, 2007 @ 4:42 pm )
Dear sick, tired, achy Amy,
I believe this is the best post you have ever written. I’ve been reading since you lived in Ca. I have 7 with my older ones being older and my younger 5 being closer spaced. You are just about to turn the corner. You older children sound like they are absolutely great - when they are 14 or 16, they will blow you away with their helpfulness and compassion as well as competancy and dependability. Hang in there! You have almost reached the stage where you can catch your breath, get a shower and take a nap when you need it.
Comment by Melissa (October 19, 2007 @ 4:46 pm )
I have been reading your blog for quite some time, and thought I’d actually comment. This is a very compelling post. Thank you for your candid nature in your writing and the way you inspire dependence on God rather than seeking to impress others with a “have it all together” attitude. I am a mom of 3 under 3, twin boys who are 3 and an 8 month old girl. We think we’re done having children, or at least me bearing them since they’re all born with some health issues and a birth defect in their airway that seems to complicate their arrival into the world. Nevertheless, it is so encouraging to read of one with more than me who doesn’t meet all the needs but meets as many as she can. Everyday lately that is my struggle…How do I meet all the needs that scream at me all at the same time? It is a very humbling place to live. I’m grateful to have the knowledge that my lot has been God ordained and the boundary lines for my life fall in pleasant places. Thanks for your candid encouragement as you journey on within your assigned boundaries.
Comment by briana almengor (October 19, 2007 @ 4:51 pm )
Thank you. I only have three, but I have ladies stop me in the store to tell me to let the floor get dirty because the kids grow up so fast. I have also had a number of older people tell me how much they enjoyed their siblings in a large family. It is a struggle to have more children, in the temporary scheme of things, but it appears that it is important to cherish that opportunity and take advantage of it, in the longer scheme of things. So, thanks for making me think about having #4 sooner rather than later.
Comment by christy (October 19, 2007 @ 5:53 pm )
Thanks for this post, Amy. If you can make it, feeling as bad as you do, it encourages me to press on and not grow weary doing good, with #7 on the way. I’ll be so glad for you when you are holding this next little one in your arms, finally. I loved what you said about pouring yourself into your children. I needed to hear that!
Mine, too, are thrilled to be having another baby join the family. I have to admit, my chief concern with this pregnancy, which has gone just swimmingly so far (even my creaky, achey knees have adjusted better than I expected) has been: what if something goes wrong at the last minute? I have experienced that shock before, but I do keep my occasional thoughts entirely to myself, and dismiss them as soon as they present themselves. Not like worrying about things can make any difference anyhow! Just have to trust the Lord in all things. I look forward to cuddling another newborn, even though I have not historically adjusted to the initial chaos as well as I would have liked.
Your post is a wonderful reminder that this is all about loving relationships.
What incredible gifts the Lord gives us, in His mercy.
Comment by Susannah (October 19, 2007 @ 9:34 pm )
That is one for the refrigerator.
Comment by Angela (October 19, 2007 @ 9:57 pm )
Tomorrow when I hear my two 3 year olds say Mommmmmmmyyyy from opposite rooms of the house, for the 20th time, I’ll be ok. Thank you so much.
Comment by Tracy in Ky (October 19, 2007 @ 11:19 pm )
Wonderful post. I am expecting my 4th and I fall into the category of women who planned on planning how many children our family would include. The thought of permanent birth control was never a settled issue but certainly *3 children* was a max and we would just grieve “what-ifs” when the time came.
Well…the time came and God again worked His provision out through the Word….His people….and my heart.
I can’t say that I fully grasp what it means to surrender to God’s desire for our family size. I am still working on it. I am working on laying down all the fears and concerns and selfish motives that sometimes govern my thoughts.
What I know is that it is better for me to leave my flesh desires on the back burner while we wait on His divine plan. It is always best that way, isn’t it?
Sharing the blessings of a large family resonate with me in so many ways. Thank you
I am sure anticipation abounds at your home these days. Those last few weeks are so long! Blessings as you wait.
Comment by Kim (October 20, 2007 @ 11:27 am )
I just read the Mitt Romney article in your sidebar. While he makes some good points, we are still supporting Ron Paul. We support Paul because we believe in LIBERTY! I even have his you tube video ‘Don’t tread on Me’ on my page. Despite what the polls are saying, I believe that Ron Paul has a real chance because his supporters are the type who will show up at the primaries. I just don’t think that enough people are passionate enough about electing Giuliani to show up at the primaries.
I’m glad that the Scotts are supporting Ron Paul.
Comment by Kendra (October 20, 2007 @ 11:47 am )
Hi,
I always benefit from reading your posts. You will have to write down what your son said, I mean in a journal for him or something. I didn’t take the time to read all the comments but have you and your husband ever talked about adoption? I understand difficulties in bearing children. Though my pregnancies have been fairly “easy” and uncomplicated, my birth experiences have not been. My husband told me after the birth of our third child that he did not want me to birth any more. He said he could not bear it if something happened to me. My ob also volunteered to do a tubal,
which I declined.
My husband and I would love more children and so we are beginning the process of adopting from India! We are very excited and Lord willing, we will have another addition in a year and a half or so. It is also a wonderful way to add to your family.
Blessings~
Comment by Anonymous (October 20, 2007 @ 12:16 pm )
I’m 10 weeks or so away from #5, so I can relate to this post so well. Mine are ages (at the time of birth in late December) 2 months away from 7, 1 month away from 5, 3 and 18 months. I’m tired. And there have been times, early in the morning with a sick child or during the day among fighting children or even when I have the rare moments alone, when I have cried out to God, “Are you sure about this?”. But He does know best and what I lack, He provides. Sometimes through my husband, sometimes through others. As long as my trust is in Him, He will sustain me. He is the only one on Earth who can promise “I will never leave you” and be able to keep it.
Comment by Jennifer D (October 20, 2007 @ 5:24 pm )
Thank you, Amy, for such an encouraging response. We have 10 children and find they just love my presence, even if it means just sitting in the same room as them, that is enough. Children are such simple creatures, they haven’t read all of the great ideas out there about what their needs really are. Their needs are simple: they want to know you are near enough for them to come to you when they need you. And for those times when you can’t be around, well, they are the times when they grow closer to Him, because we can’t always be there. We have a prodigal son and I am counting on God being there for him. That’s the good thing about God, He never lets go.
Blessings,
Amanda Axelby
http://www.griefandgrace.net
Comment by Amanda (October 20, 2007 @ 6:06 pm )
Hey! I guess I have a question about providing for the needs of many children. My husband and I both have advanced degrees (I grew up homeschooled), and being able to provide our children with the option of going to college is a high value to us, from a spirtual, intellectual, and economic standpoint. Do you plan to pay for college for all of your children, no matter how many you have? What’s your plan for that? I’m really curious, since I don’t know what’s possible in this area.
Growing up, I saw a couple of large, homeschoooling families who did not have a plan for providing college for their children. They didn’t pay for college for any of them. Some of their kids struggled to gain advanced training of some kind, some managed to make it through college while working, some gave up, and some are struggling to provide for families without a recognized high school diploma. It was frustrating for me to watch their hardships, and it is hard for me to balance my desire to have a larger family with my desire to do my best to provide them with the opportunities that I was blessed with.
Comment by Ellen (October 20, 2007 @ 8:49 pm )
My husband and I have 4 children. 6, 5, almost 2, and 5 months. Whew, everyday at 8pm I crash. I am so tired of all the fighting, fussing, crying, and whining that I don’t want any more– kids that is. I always thought I would have 5 kids, but that was before I had 4. Before now, we never took any “protective” measures to prevent children, but it’s funny how a person can feel differently after 4 pretty close together, that she didn’t feel before. God gave us a gap in time between our 2nd and our 3rd, which I was truly grateful for (our 1st and 2nd came 14 months apart, and then our 3rd and 4th were 17 months apart). Now I am so exausted I can’t imagine having another one. I grew up in a house with 6 kids and LOVED it. I always thought I wanted to give that to my children but now I don’t feel strong enough to do it. I loved what you said, Amy, about giving what you can and leaving the rest up to God. That’s what you have to do, there’s really no other choice. I am hoping and praying I just need a break and that God will renew my desire for more children in some time.
Comment by ann c. (October 20, 2007 @ 10:58 pm )
I liked your first answer. I gave away the dog when I was expecting #3–and never regretted it!
Jeanne
Comment by Jeanne (At A Hen's Pace) (October 22, 2007 @ 1:16 am )
It’s been a hard few weeks at our house. Thanks for the reminders of what really matters. Doing word search puzzles with my daughter for time alone and taking my son to school are such a part of our lives. Thanks, too, for telling about all those God-fearing inlaws! Gives me hope that Training mine Up will “hold.”
Comment by Lisa (October 22, 2007 @ 9:55 am )
Amy, I love it that you have the ability to SEE what’s really important, even in the midst of a difficult time. It’s so easy to get overwhelmed and discouraged! May God bless your family.
Jamie Sibley
Comment by Jamie (October 22, 2007 @ 11:36 am )
Ellen,
There are many thoughts I have on this, but unfortunately, I don’t have a lot of time this afternoon. I’ve written extensively on our goals, our thinking for the future, that can be found in the archives.
The short answer is this: we are preparing for our entire family’s future financially. This means we are avid savers and planners. #2, we don’t want our children to waste their lives; we want them to do what God calls them to do. This means that we plan to steer them in the direction of doing the will of God, which is not the same thing as doing the accepted societal norm: go to college, get married, get careers, have 2 children, retire in Florida–and sing in the choir so you can feel good about your service to God.
Radical obedience often requires radically going against the flow. We plan to take our children on a case-by-case basis, which is not code for “Yeah, we’re irresponsible and haven’t given it a thought.” Just that college is not a foregone conclusion for all our children, especially our girls.
p.s. I made it through UCF (Bachelor of Science) with $1,600 of debt at the end without the help of my parents. It can be done. Just as an aside.
Yes, we have a homestudy and MAPP completed, but no, it’s not on the front burner right now or in the near future.
Comment by Amy Scott (October 23, 2007 @ 2:52 pm )
Thanks for responding. I am all in favor of following God’s call for your life, traditional or not. After all, my life has looked rather different from what either I or my parents envisioned when I was growing up. By the way, we do not have two careers in our household, we will probably never retire to Florida because Christians don’t “retire”, and I do not think that “singing in the choir” should ever be considered my main service to God. I hope that you will encourage college for your girls just as much as for your boys. I always appreciated that my father said that he would never consider it a waste to pay for my college education, even if I never worked a day in my life outside of my home. He felt that the investment in stretching my reasoning skills and expanding my knowledge base was extremely important, even if it never translated into earning power. I am glad, though, that if, God forbid, something happened to my husband, I will have a degree to help me to provide for our children.
Comment by Ellen (October 23, 2007 @ 6:03 pm )
I don’t know about the whole “in case something happens to my husband” thing. I know for our family we will be discouraging college for our girls (and son but we are talking about daughters right now) and if “God forbid” something happens to their husband, we will gladly help provide for them from our own pockets. I am trusting in God for help rather than what the world possibly could offer my daughters in college. Just my two cents on that subject.
And actually, I think this is exactly what Amy is saying. They (Amy’s children) would not have to rely on a college degree because they would have someplace to come home to (this is assuming they don’t live on the land that Amy and her husband just bought) - where they would have a home and family to help raise their children. I believe this is God’s plan for families but it is us that makes it difficult. People don’t want to help out their neighbors let alone their own families. Amy has the right vision for her family. I believe her children will rise up and call her blessed for what her husband and her have sacrificed for!
By the way Amy, I am very happy that you are taking the steps you are. My husband and I are starting on that path ourselves. After much thought and prayer, we have decided that yes, this is really the path we want to be on. We have gone back and forth over the last couple years but now we KNOW that we want our children to have the opportunities we did not have. And I do NOT mean college! God bless you and yours Amy. Thank you for sharing your heart so much on your blog. You bless all of us readers, even if we don’t know it at the time.
Comment by Christian Faith (October 23, 2007 @ 6:52 pm )
Wow, Christian Faith, you seem to know a lot about how everyone is supposed to live their lives.
I don’t think Amy has ever said that The Scott Way is The Right Way (read: God’s way) for anyone but themselves.
While some of her readers may have agrarian, homeschooling lifestyles similar to her own–she’s never said this is THE WAY all Christian families should live. (Am I wrong here, Amy?)
Ellen (comment 52) may make different choices for her family. As a matter of fact, so may I. If God is leading our children (including the girls) to attend college, we WILL encourage that. I attended college and honestly, it was one of the best experiences of my life.
I respect that some Christians may choose to discourage their daughters from attending college as a matter of conviction. That’s entirely their own business.
But Christians telling other Christians that sending their daughters to college is not “God’s plan for families”?
That’s just plain ol’ meddling.
Comment by Elizabeth (October 23, 2007 @ 7:55 pm )
First of all, the way that Ellen said “I hope that you will encourage college for your girls just as much as for your boys.” is a nice way of saying that college should be encouraged for girls.
Second, I said “in our family” which denotes that I am not saying this is for everyone.
I never said the Scotts way was for everyone. I simply said what I thought Amy was trying to convey in her messages that she shares with us. I am long past telling others what to do with their family. That is between them and God. My problem is 1) the tone of Ellen comments seemed sarcastic, as if Amy had attacked her personally for something. I know Amy does not need anyone to stick up for her. I just hate it when people say the whole “just in case” scenario of college for girls when really it seems that they want to send their daughters to college. It drives me nuts for people to say I will have faith in x, y and z but by golly, just in case God does not provide for me then I better go get that good ol’ college degree.
So, if anything, Ellen was meddling when she asked the question in the first place.
Comment by Christian Faith (October 23, 2007 @ 8:14 pm )
I don’t comprehend the whole notion of being against college. Does being separated from the world mean that we aren’t out among unbelievers? I am Reformed in my theology, but I do not farm or homeschool (I have, but I’m tired and old and my two youngest are in traditional school)–and that’s OK.
I am happy that my girls/kids, with the exception of my oldest son (so far), opted for college. Of course, if one believes that daughters are to stay at home until marriage, then perhaps that is why daughters aren’t encouraged to attend college. I seriously doubt that my 30 year-old unmarried daughter would still want to live at home. It is/was necessary for her to have a degree in her line of work as a teacher.
It’s a purely philosophical difference. As far as I know (and I do read the Bible regularly), there is nothing in the Bible that prohibits anyone, including daughters, from attending college. And, it’s not a matter of not trusting God (see Christian Faith’s “just-in-case” line). It is, from my perspective, a matter of using wisdom and imparting advice to each child about the direction their lives should take. We have prayed earnestly for many years about all ten of our children. They, too, have prayed and sought God’s face in the decision-making process.
I don’t understand the uproar. It’s OK that not everyone thinks the same way. There are non-negotiables in the faith, but this certainly isn’t one of them.
Finally, like Elizabeth, I live in CA. She lives in Southern and I live in Northern. Southern CA is on fire. My daughter, Charissa, who attends Masters College in Santa Clarita, is right near the fires. Please pray for the safety of the students, teachers, all the people in So CA who are in the eye of the fire, firefighters, etc. Only God can change the situation. I think that is something upon which we all can agree.
Cathy, mom of ten (There is another “Cathy” who posts, so this will be my moniker from now on)
Comment by Cathy (October 23, 2007 @ 9:52 pm )
Cathy:You said it better and with more grace than I did—I can’t wait to mellow with age. Not that I’m calling you old or anything!
And the fires: yeah, it was REALLY scary here yesterday. My aunt almost lost her house—100 ft. flames came within yards of her home. Some good friends of mine in San Diego have evacuated their home and still don’t know the status of their area. It’s been unbearable outdoors where we live: smoky, sooty, winds blowing up to 90 mph. For now, our home and family are safe. But we have many friends and family in the Southern California area who are still being threatened by the fires. We would appreciate any and all prayers.
Thanks for reminding me to keep perspective, Cathy Mom of Ten. You rock.
Comment by Elizabeth (October 23, 2007 @ 10:37 pm )
I don’t think that Amy has attacked me personally, though I wasn’t sure at first in her response about the accepted societal norm. Perhaps that’s why I seemed defensive. I totally agree with comment 56. And, honestly, I threw in the “just in case” scenario mainly as a aside. I don’t think that’s the primary motive for girls to go to college. I think that sending a strong, Christian young lady to college can be a wonderful way for her to engage the culture, learn that her faith can stand up to the challenges she will face because it is true, and be a light and a witness to her classmates and her professors. I hope that I was/did all of these things in my time in college, and I think that all Christian young women should have the opportunity to go to college if God calls them there. I don’t want to see young women being discouraged by their parents from going to college because their main calling may eventually be to be a wife and mother. College can provide some wonderful preparation for being a wife and mom, and I think that it’s given me some great skills that I will use as a homeschool mom. That’s what I’m arguing, and I’m not trying to be rude or “meddling.”
Comment by Ellen (October 23, 2007 @ 11:27 pm )
OK, allow me to step in here and smooth out some things.
When people pose a question in the comment boxes that seems a bit feisty, it’s my policy to assume the best. I assumed Ellen’s original college question was sincere and still do. I also assumed she doesn’t read here much as most people have a general idea what I’d say already based on past writing.
Elizabeth, I let your comment stand without commenting because I know you’re expecting twins, and I know that people generally understand these side issues as “a” way to follow God and not “the” way. I didn’t think Ellen or Christian Faith was “meddling” or being rude. Now, kiss and make up, will ya’ll?
But more to the point. I am not dogmatic on these side issues—not because I am egalitarian, a feminist in disguise, or wishy-washy—but because I want to offend people with the cross and not my abrasive personality or things I have no experience on. My kids aren’t college-age. My M.O. has always been, “OK, God wants us to go THIS way. The cultural wants us to go THAT way. How do we live this out? Do we go in debt like everyone else? Is it OK to live the American dream? Am I wasting my life and time by doing x? What choices do I have to make today so that my children do not have to face these same obstacles in ten years?”
Farming, homeschooling, and college/no college are not measures of my success as a believer. You can live a cross-centered life in the middle of the city slums without an organic garden and the Bob Jones’ Biology textbook.
I think it’s admirable that there are people asking the college question. Our culture has disintegrated and they’re answering, “Well, what do we do with that? Keep on doing what we’re doing and hope for different results?” Being deliberate means that we ask and answer these questions for our families (yes, some people go further and answer it for you as well, but….), and that’s what I meant in my comments about societal norms. It really had nothing to do with singing in the choir or not. (For the record, the folks in my church’s choir are my favorite people, but they already know that. I’m just telling ya’ll.) My only point was that it’s imperative that we think outside the box. If I didn’t, then we wouldn’t have five/six God-fearing children –going back to the original post. Instead, I would’ve done the “responsible” thing and cut them off. I mean, that’s what we’re talking about here. Ellen wants to know —how does one have a large family AND raise them to be responsible, God-fearing people? Our culture is set up to make this difficult. True. So how do we respond? Do we stop having children that will grow up and spread the gospel or do we change how we “do” life? That’s what I’m always talking about on my blog. We have to figure this out, because pardon the phrase–failure is not an option.
Comment by Amy Scott (October 24, 2007 @ 8:52 am )
officially kissing & making up!
Comment by Elizabeth (October 24, 2007 @ 9:05 am )
Awesome post.
I am praying for you and think of you often.
Blessings!
†
Natalie
Comment by Natalie (October 25, 2007 @ 4:41 pm )
as a mom of 6 (4 under 7) i can identify with some of what you said and glean a few tips for myself from the rest. great blog!
Comment by tami lewis (October 26, 2007 @ 12:49 pm )
I cried reading this post. Thank you for sharing this. I am pregnant with our fourth and feel very much physically the way you described. And felt this sick with the other 3, too-all the way until the end.
Your post was so encouraging to me-in many different ways. Thank you. Holly
Comment by Holly (October 28, 2007 @ 7:31 am )
I send kisses to Ellen and Elizabeth too. I apologize for coming on too strongly. I am trying to stop that… my flesh usually wins though.
Comment by Christian Faith (October 28, 2007 @ 1:42 pm )