A few reasons why I love our small church
Monday, Dec 10, 2007
We belong to a small local church. Our church is less than a quarter mile from our house; it’s so close that even the toddler can walk there without a stroller. It will be a huge loss to us when we finally move to our farm in Kentucky next year. There is no church at the corner crossroads from our new farm, only an abandoned Amish schoolhouse. We will have to find a new church, and while big doesn’t always equal bad, we’ve found several positive aspects to belonging to a smaller congregation.
I got to thinking about this because I am sitting home on a Sunday morning with my newborn daughter and runny-nosed toddler. Greg is putting out fires at work. My older four children, aged three to nine, absolutely hate missing church. This is a good thing. It’s like cutting off their arm to miss church, and so, they rarely do.
Being close to the church and her people, they don’t have to miss church. There is always someone willing to pick them up and take them. And here’s the rub: They are with their family, even when they’re not. I don’t have to worry that they will get lost in the crowd or that they will be unsupervised. Everyone knows the Scott kids and not just for notorious reasons. They receive both correction and lunch invitations, discipline and love. They are unable to get away Scott-free with anything, as everyone knows them and their parents. I like it this way.
When we first began visiting churches six years ago, we attended the local mega church. They had good music. One problem with the whole situation, though, was that we had to leave thirty minutes early even though the church was only a five minute drive. We only had three children back then, but by the time we signed in everyone, got labeled, got numbered, and got three different beepers and pagers, the morning was half over. It was a big production then with three children, I can’t imagine how long it’d take with six!
One morning, we decided to keep all our children in a mega church service with us. It just made more sense, and it’s not because we read it on the internet. It was Easter morning. Our children are used to sitting still at home during evening readings anyway, so they are pretty good. We were sitting near an exit so that we could leave without disturbing anyone if necessary. Well, it wasn’t long until the baby started babbling quietly. Immediately, an usher approached us and asked us to leave. We left and never went back.
It’s not my style to give anecdotal evidence as support for an argument. I’m not making an argument; there are lots of fine large churches. Not all big churches ask people who might not be saved to leave on Easter morning, but the reality is that you can never know who is who in a crowd of thousands. Our children can run to the van for a forgotten item without us worrying about kidnappers and other shady strangers. Call me shallow, but I just like visiting with folks after church without worrying about keeping all six of my children on tight leashes. (That sentence sounded like Andy Rooney could’ve said it, and that’s how I meant it.) It’s been a blessing to raise a family in a place where everybody knows your name, to borrow a phrase.
Another reason I like our small church is because of the preachin’. I prefer more poignant, convicting sermons. When you’re in a crowd of thousands, it’s easy to assume the preacher is talking to the other guy. When you’re in a small church, it’s very probable the preacher is talking to you, especially if he was at your house this week and saw your kids acting up. Maybe he heard about the time I flung dog poop in the neighbor’s yard. Maybe he read that on my blog.
I like our church of 150 people. We know their names and their trials, and we almost always run into someone when we shop at Publix on Saturdays. In a culture where bigger is almost always better, I prefer to hang my hat at the small local church instead. Your own mileage may vary.
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Great post. Funny thing–I never really thought about our church of 140 being “small.” I grew up in a church of about 20, so 140 seemed big to me for a long, long time! I can’t even imagine going to a megachurch!
BTW–I found you while voting at the HSB awards and added you to my google reader.
SmallWorld
Comment by SmallWorld (December 10, 2007 @ 1:35 pm )
Amen!!
Our church is bigger than 150 people, but the atmosphere and fellowship is very “small church.” I wouldn’t trade it for the world. I’ve done the mega-church thing and it felt like I was just completing part of my Sunday routine. Being in a small church, I feel connected to people, my kids feel connected to people, and we are recognized as a whole family, not just the couple that has kids somewhere in the building.
I had attended our old church for two years when someone I thought knew us pretty well said, “You have FOUR children???” She had never seen my oldest son.
Comment by Tamara (December 10, 2007 @ 1:52 pm )
We’re still searching for our small church. I hope we find it someday.
As for dog poop…you’ve been flinging dog poo? I must confess, I have too. The neighbor’s boyfriend’s dog came into our yard…so I kindly put the poo back in their yard. After my kids stepped in it b/c I didn’t see it b/c it’s our yard…and we don’t have a dog…so there should be no poo.What’s your excuse?
Comment by Thia (December 10, 2007 @ 2:01 pm )
A thousand amens! I love that you can walk to your church. It bugs me every time we drive to our church (which is only about 2 miles away) that we pass SIX other churches (and a synagogue) on our way. Our Community really should be our community–right?
Comment by Patti (December 10, 2007 @ 2:13 pm )
Great post! I know what you mean about them being with family even when they’re not. We have the same experience with our small church.
Comment by Kelli (December 10, 2007 @ 2:19 pm )
Wow, 150 sounds huge! We’re a small body of about 50 which seems just perfect to me. Sunday worship at our church is just like a big family gathering. I love it!
Comment by Emily (December 10, 2007 @ 2:23 pm )
Great post. When we started attending our church it has less then one hundred….we are much bigger now. It is a good problem to have but I miss knowing everyone. And I had to chuckle because I am the one at our church responsible for the children’s sign in table. We have a few families with 4-6 kids….I wonder if they feel the same LOL!
Been enjoying your blog for awhile but this is the first time I have come out of lurk mode:o)
Comment by Sandi (December 10, 2007 @ 2:50 pm )
We moved last May and were invited to attend a mega-church immediately so we went. I was actually nervous having my kids so far away from me in the children’s program because I was afraid I wouldn’t be able to find my way through the halls to their classrooms if one of them needed me - even though they were extremely secure in their children’s ministry lock-down wing:):):). In August, we found a small church of about 50 people and we LOVE it. It’s so small that we don’t even have any programs:):):). The kids just stay in with the adults and we shush them when they need to be shushed. Then we all eat together and hang out playing board games and talking while the kids run around and play with each other. We do have to drive to get there though. I’m jealous that you get to walk!
Comment by Tonya (December 10, 2007 @ 3:07 pm )
I agree with you wholeheartedly! I have attended a medium, then large and finally a small church (about 60 people?) and my husband and I feel more encouraged than ever before. We stopped going to the large church because we weren’t connected with people and felt lost in the crowd. There is so much more accountability in a small church, and it really feels more like a family.
Comment by Reagan (December 10, 2007 @ 3:31 pm )
I agree with you. Where I go to church now, is where I have gone since I was a baby. We started out as about 20 and have now grown to about 80.
Everyone is my family. And I would not have it any other way
And… our music is awesome, too.
Comment by Lawanda (December 10, 2007 @ 3:48 pm )
Hello Amy,
We once attended a gigantic mega church and never seemed to feel at home there for many reasons. We now attend a much smaller church and really enjoy it. I like the part you mentioned about sitting there thinking the sermon might apply to you rather than “the other guy”. How true!
Take Care,
Trixie
Comment by Trixie (December 10, 2007 @ 4:35 pm )
When my husband and I were newly married, we visited a church that had a sign on the door that read “All children under 5 will be kept in the nursery.” We were flabbergasted. God institued family before church! We have since had 4 children and one on the way and while our “small” church has a nursery, no one has ever forced us to use it. My kids, all four and under all sit still and quiet with us. But we have no problems letting them “run around” with friends after the service while we chat. It’s refreshing for all of us! Thanks for the reminder to appreciate what we have, Amy.
Comment by Christa @ No End in Site (December 10, 2007 @ 4:49 pm )
We love our small church (100-150 people) too. I love the family-feeling aspect. I don’t think I could ever attend a big church. Unless God wanted me to.
Enjoyed your musings on the small church.
Comment by Andrea (December 10, 2007 @ 4:51 pm )
I’m with you on small churches! I think ours is bigger than yours, but probably not by too much. Most people know each other, if not by name then at least by sight. I hand my kids off to people all the time and know they’ll be loved on (and the toddler gently disciplined, if needed!) We do have a nursery and a preschool as an option, but it is an OPTION and no one minds if we bring our babies with us. Sometimes our priest jokes about the “joyful noises” coming from the back rows.
I’ve been attending there since I was in college and I wouldn’t trade it for anything! Our big worry now is what we’ll do when a job hunt takes us elsewhere…this is a hard church to measure others against, you know?
Anyway, great post and I just wanted to comment because it sounds so much like ours (except for the 1/4 mile away part - wow I’m jealous!)
Comment by Emily (December 10, 2007 @ 4:55 pm )
Amen and Amen!! I LOVE our small church too!
Comment by Theresa (December 10, 2007 @ 5:02 pm )
I adore this post. Being nausea free suits you.
Comment by Jeana (December 10, 2007 @ 5:19 pm )
Oh sister, I feel your pain. I do.
We moved to GA 6 months ago. We left behind a church as you described although our church was a 25 minute drive. We have been church shopping and have yet to find a “home.” And until we do I don’t think that I will be at home. The tears have been many today, I admit. I want to go home!!!
Comment by Amy (December 10, 2007 @ 5:57 pm )
Wow. Your church sounds so nice I’m having a hard time not breaking the 10th commandment. I would love to find a church like that. I miss being ‘home’ when I go to church.
Comment by Sandy (December 10, 2007 @ 6:52 pm )
We drive 40 miles to attend our small church. While I’d love for it to be closer, it’s still worth our drive. The church we attended before this was much larger, “lots to offer” but we never felt at home until we started attending the church we’re in now.
I’ll be praying for you guys to find a church home you love when you move.
Comment by Sarah (December 10, 2007 @ 7:09 pm )
I grew up in one fo the Houston ‘mega’ churches, and didn’t like it at all. After my husband and I had been married about 4 years, we moved to a small town, and for the first time, he wanted to go to church. Our church is a little under 150, and I love it for all the same reasons you just posted … Including the ‘kids off the leash’ thing. On the off chance that one of them starts acting up on the other side of the gym (we meet in a church), one of the teenage boys usually brings them over. And just that act in itself is typically enough to embarrass them into better behavior, lol!!!
We have a children’s church option for kids 5 and younger, but only about half the parents use it, and the service would feel very, very strange without baby chatter coming from somewhere at some point!!
Sarah, we have people that drive over an hour to come to our church, and they have said that the drive is nothing compared to being at our church. To us, it’s very close at only 15 minutes away.It’s such a great place!
Amy, many prayers that you’ll find a church home you love in your new house. (And prayers that the runny noses are soon gone!)
Comment by Brea (December 10, 2007 @ 7:47 pm )
Ame, amen, and amen!
Comment by David Kjos (December 10, 2007 @ 7:48 pm )
Amy,
I really hope you can find another church like the one you will be leaving. I am sure they will be sad to see you all go.
Renee
Comment by Renee (December 10, 2007 @ 7:49 pm )
My home church was small like this while I was growing up, and has since developed into mega-church status. It’s really hard when I go home to visit my parents. Completely strangers come up to me at church, trying to be friendly, and say “Is this your first time visiting us?” And I think “No, I grew up in this church.” I don’t like it at all. The church my dh and I attend now is pretty big too, I think about 1000 people. It’s got phenominal teaching/preaching, but I hope that when we move again we will find that in a smaller church.
Comment by E.W.E (December 10, 2007 @ 8:26 pm )
Well, I met my husband at a large church. Years later, married and with three kids, we moved to my home town and joined a smaller church.
It grew. And grew. And GREW. It’s now literally ten times bigger than it was when we started there.
I, like you, do prefer smaller. But people kept getting saved. People kept having kids. People kept moving to our town and deciding our church was a good fit for them.
A lot of the things that irk me about larger churches are the very same things that allow large churches to function safely. You NEED those pagers and things for safety’s sake.
Our church is literally so crowded they are building annexes, and in the next month or so when it is ready, we will be moving to it, even tho it is a further drive, and my mega church of over four thousand is literally walking distance.
And yet I do feel convicted at how I feel about that large church that has changed so very many lives, that has been there for spouses of deployed troops, that has comforted widows, that has reached out to the community and made Christmas possible for the kids in low income housing, and held bible studies for those same kids, and blessed their moms with fans in the summertime, and that has sent and funded missionaries all over the world-including in some places that I cannot tell you about because it has to be so covert.
I do hear you about loving the small atmosphere of a small church. But I caution myself, as well as any who read this, that God’s purposes trump our comfort levels. He ordains small fellowships, but he also ordains some of these megachurches. He’s the one that grew them, and He has a purpose for them.
May we all learn from each other-may the mega learn to keep the personal touch, and may the small fellowship remember they have a responsibility to reach out, to grow…and in a few cases grow too big for comfort.
God bless you as you seek a fellowship that is right for your family, no matter what its size.
Comment by connie (December 10, 2007 @ 8:55 pm )
150 people is small church? Is this worship attendance? Ummm…in our world, 150 is pretty large. It’s a great size, however one classifies it though. Glad that you are in a fellowship that uplifts and sustains.
Comment by April (December 10, 2007 @ 9:24 pm )
Oh, I had to laugh (nervously) when you mentioned the sign in “security” procedure. Our smallish church of 250 people is now moving to a new church building–we’ve been meeting in a school for many years. In the wake of this, a new sign in procedure and number system was initiated. Children’s church is 1-3 yo (too big a span if you ask me), 4’s and 5’s, 1st and 2nd graders, and 3rd and 4th graders. We currently have 4 children in the program. (We have 6 children total with another due in April.) The reason I put my 14 month old in the 1-3’s is that I hadn’t heard a full message in over a year. I was consigned to the “nursing dungeon” with my little one. They usually had a speaker in there so that we could hear the message, but for months it was broken. Anyway, after signing in 4 children we usually miss the first 5 minutes of the message. It’s really nice when everyone looks up as you walk in… The new building has a nursing mom’s room with two-sided glass and speakers and a toddler training room–I guess so Dad can get involved. I had a good friend leave the church b/c her family didn’t feel welcome worshipping as a family all together. I can understand that feeling. I had someone offer to take my baby out and walk her around when she was just months old b/c she was making cooing sounds.
Nothing is perfect. We all make mistakes, but I think that what God intended for the church didn’t involve such overkill on security to satisfy the church’s insurance carrier. Do you?
Comment by Nancy (December 10, 2007 @ 11:56 pm )
150 in England would be considered a rather large congregation. Our church is around that number. I’ve been attending since I was a child. I’d love the church to get bigger though as it means more people are seeking Jesus. I couldn’t bear to leave. I can’t imagine how hard it must be for you to have to leave your fellowship.
I hope that God leads you to just the right church for Him.
Blessings.
Comment by Love Sows Seeds (December 11, 2007 @ 6:34 am )
I grew up in a small church too and your post brought back lots of memories! Now my husband and I attend a mega church and its true…. it does take a while to get signed in, etc….!!!
Comment by hyperactivelu (December 11, 2007 @ 8:28 am )
Smaller churches have the ability to keep track of it’s members as well. I, too, love our small church, in which the children outnumber the adults by far!
Comment by Kelly (December 11, 2007 @ 8:40 am )
We attend a small church, that’s even smaller now because of a church split 6 months ago. We are about 100 now. Everyone knows everyone. We learned a lesson a couple months ago though that I am sharing with you here because I never thought it would happen to us. A man in our church, who we were actually friends with until the church split and he and his wife left, was arrested for trying to set up a meeting with a 12 year old girl who also used to attend our church. We were shocked, but then things started to come out about this man and his dark and secret life. You can never be too careful.
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Amen! We, too, tried the maximum-security Church, I mean MEGA-Church and fled. For different reason. With a college catalog full of Sunday School Classes, Small Groups and Bible Studies, I was “qualified” to attend about 4 of those. The ones labeled “singles” or “single parents.” In my small Church I was invited to choose ANY class–even the aptly named “Seniors on the Go” and was welcome. No one thinks I’m a threat to someone else’ marriage! The men in my class, without being asked, stop my son in the hall and congratulate or correct him as necessary. The women and I talk about everything like any other women do. No judgement.And, of course, no long lines for kid-proofing. My kids are actually known by their names. We do have beepers now–for the nursery and Wee-ones rooms. The brand new parents expect it. By about kid age 4 they are over it!!!
Comment by Lisa (December 11, 2007 @ 9:17 am )
I can so relate to loving your small church. Our church runs right around 100 and I know it is selfish of me to really like it that way. Reformed teaching seems to be few and far between these days which makes it even sweeter every Sunday to be able to hear great exposition as opposed to touchy/feely sermonettes. We’ve been there many years (back when the teaching wasn’t reformed), but the newer folk tell us they don’t understand how our building is not packed every Sunday because of our pastor’s teaching/preaching. I couldn’t agree more.
Comment by Michelle (December 11, 2007 @ 9:50 am )
My husband and I drive about 35 minutes to our church, which has 24 households, just over 100 people. My parents and siblings drive 30 minutes to the same church, and my in-laws drive 45 minutes. This isn’t rare in our congregation. While we’d love to have a shorter drive, it is definitely worth it. One thing we love is that since people have come so far, they’re in no hurry to leave! After the service, the weekly potluck lunch, the teaching time, and singing practice, the kids play and the adults visit… or play- volleyball and frisbee in the summer, basketball in the colder months. It does feel very much like family!
I hope that you find a good church that isn’t too far of a drive after your move!
Comment by Natalie (December 11, 2007 @ 10:25 am )
Like some of the others, I was pretty surprised at your thinking 150 people is small. We don’t have any congregations that big in our town! The biggest is maybe 120 including a load of students. I wouldn’t like to be in a congregation much bigger than that.
I don’t ‘get’ mega-churches. Surely they have to be highly structured and organised, and then cease being simple groups of the Family meeting to worship together. We did once visit one, when in the USA, but there were screens, and choreographed ushers, and it all felt like a theatre performance, not church. Maybe that’s just me. But as far as I’m concerned, ‘real’ church happens in home groups with a maximum of 12-15 people, and Sunday morning gatherings for worship are harder work since by nature they have to be a bit structured.
80-100 people is OK - that’s probably the biggest the early church congregations ever reached, meeting in large homes - but over 200 (at the outside) is too big. Research has shown that the most effective discipling and outreach happens when any church that reaches over 200 members regularly should divide into two and plant a second body. Just like home groups divide when they get more than 14 people regularly.
Comment by Sue (December 11, 2007 @ 11:10 am )
Amy, I have soooo ‘been there, done that’ (to borrow a phrase, myself) Twenty minutes signing in at the beeper table, shuttles to the different parking areas, and we’ve been through the whole “being asked to leave” scenario except it wasn’t us that was asked to leave and it wasn’t an usher that asked… it was the pastor… FROM THE PULPIT! And, coincidentally, it happened to be an Easter Sunday morning as well.
We now have a wonderful small 100 person or so congregation that is so edifying, uplifting and encouraging… and that’s just the fellowship! The preaching is in a entirely different league! (i.e. no clips from Gilligan’s Island shown on the ‘big screen’, if you know what I mean)
I’ll be praying for you as you seek a similar wonderful congregation in Kentucky.
By the way, you know it’s cold up there in Kentucky! Brrrr!
Comment by Lady Why (December 11, 2007 @ 1:42 pm )
Our small church has only 7 families, but there are almost 70 people who attend, if that says anything about the size of families in the church! We have no Sunday School, Children’s Church, youth group, etc., but instead all of the families sit together as families, from the littlest to the oldest. One Sunday, my baby started babbling and I began to get up to take her out, but was stopped by the leader, who encouraged me, saying that the baby wasn’t bothering anyone and that I was free to stay! How’s that for a switch from the mega-churches?! One neat thing the leader does is start the service with the sermon, as they know little ones have shorter attention spans. After the sermon, we’re up for hymns, then there’s time for testimonies and prayer requests and a time of prayer where everyone - adults and children alike - are free to pray aloud. After that, we have communion, but not as a church. Instead, each family does communion on their own. We close with another hymn and then we have a wonderful time of fellowship with each other afterwards. It is a precious moment and I’ve seen tremendous growth in my five-year old since we started attending.
Comment by daybreaking (December 11, 2007 @ 4:23 pm )
We’ve been attending a home church in our town for several weeks and like a lot of the things about it, but the group is way off doctrinally so we will probably head back to our too large, too program oriented but doctrinally sound church about 1/2 an hour away. We try to keep everyone together, but the auditorium is too crowded and by the time we get home all the littles are in meltdown mode. We have tried just going to Sunday School, but we are all split up. There aren’t any easy solutions for us at the moment. I long for a small church where we could feel like part of a family. It’s a bit lonely right now. I sure hope you find a place soon. The move is coming fairly soon isn’t it? I can’t wait to hear more details of how it is all going. I’m assuming Mom and baby are doing well and everyone else is adjusting well to their new sister. Congratulations, again.
Comment by Anonymous (December 11, 2007 @ 6:51 pm )
I know just how you feel! We also attend a small chuch. There is no membership, just members… right down the road..everyone knows you… just pleasant. I hope when you move you can be blessed with another small church.
Comment by Patricia (December 11, 2007 @ 8:10 pm )
My church (Calvary Church) have about 5000 people, with 3 services. Now I am attending another Calvary smaller church…its OK. The worship nursery is not pack. So Angel (my newborn baby) like it and easy for me to breastfeed.
Overall, God is great to us!
Comment by Stephanie Kok (December 12, 2007 @ 12:52 am )
Nancy, that “overkill” as you call it is NOT to satisfy the insurance carrier. It’s to protect the children and satisfy parents who may not know and trust the church people as much as you do. if I was visiting a church, I’d want to know they did everything possible to protect my child while my child was in their care, even down to being able to contact me if there was a problem! It really isn’t safe for anyone for someone to have to leave a class to track down the parents when there is a problem — that’s why pagers. And in this day of kidnapping, etc… sign-in is necessary to make sure that only authorized folk pick the child up. Sometimes — even another parent can be NOT authorized. Sad but true.
My favorite size of church is about 150. But churches can’t stay there. It is the nature of thing that, when people are being saved, growing, bringing friends, etc. Churches grow. So even when I have been in churches that size they have not stagnated there. they have either shrunk or gotten bigger. So while I’m not as comfortable in the church of 2000 I’m in right now, I am right where God has put me and learning to be satisfied there.
(and the church is using small groups to try and get the small church feel back. Sure, not everyone is going to know everyone. But if you are working in the church — and they work for “every member a minister” — then you get connected that way. Then you can join a small group and get another group of people you know. then there is women’s group and Gideon’s Posse for men, where you start to see more of the same faces… and while I may never know them all the way I did in the smaller church, over time I am getting more comfortable and my circles of fellowship are getting bigger.)
Comment by My Boaz's Ruth (December 12, 2007 @ 10:06 am )
Oh our pastor does that too.. Children are ALWAYS welcome in the service. We even have services throughout the year where no children’s church and no nursery is offered, so that the entire family can worship together.
But I know if he called me out like that from the pulpit, even just to say “Don’t take your baby out, we love to hear his crying” — I’d be mortified. I’m sure it will happen one day because I’ve seen him do it to others. But thing is, it doesn’t matter what the pastor says, how welcoming he is even from the pulpit, I don’t want to be in the service with a wailing babe! I want to be out where I can deal with the baby without worrying about people watching/not being able to hear the sermon/etc. (I would not worry about coos or soft fussing. But there are times that it interferes with the message getting heard, by me or those around me! If I leave, at least its just me being affected!)
Comment by My Boaz's Ruth (December 12, 2007 @ 10:12 am )
Anonymous was me a few comments ago. My computer ate my comment. Sorry!
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Comment by Robin @HeartofWisdom (December 12, 2007 @ 11:18 am )
I came back to peruse the comments when all of a sudden a thought hit me.
Those of you who have large families often get comments from others who do not understand why you would want to have so many children. They cite the cost, the work, the supposed strain on mom’s body, etc.
Now apply this sort of reasoning to church size. Those of us who do attend larger churches often read comments such as these when we go looking at Christian blogs. Yes, smaller church families are less trouble in a lot of ways, and it does take a much greater effort to not get lost in the shuffle of a larger fellowship. But does that mean we are supposed to limit our family size?
Comment by connie (December 12, 2007 @ 11:28 am )
Regarding Connie’s comment about church/family size….One thing you might take into consideration about large families is they don’t stay that way for long (seems like you blink and they’re almost grown). Now, I hope my children chose to live on the same property, not a huge concern though…but they will have and manage their own households. And I personally think a good principle for churches is that once they reach a certain number of people, say 200 or so, take about 50 of them and start a sister church in a new location. That way the church can reach new people and more people and that sense of intimacy isn’t lost. It’s also more practical all around. Just a thought.
Comment by Ginny (December 12, 2007 @ 1:14 pm )
Great post. We attend a very small reformed church (church plant) with about a dozen covenant members and maybe 50-60 regular attenders (kids included). Our pastor and his 4 children have always stayed in worship with the entire family which encourages others to do the same (if they please) but we do have a nursery through age 3.
I love our church. I cannot say enough about the blessing of expository preaching and a church body that seeks to model the New Testament church as closely as possible. Several years ago, we attended a church with *growth* as it’s primary goal and while we claimed 1,500 members it was a rare Sunday that we were not struggling to find nursery help or SS teachers. There was no criteria for Adult or Children’s SS teachers…just a pulse. The messages were generally uplifting but lacked biblical integrity. Of course the music was just great. Without the music ministry in that church I can only wonder how quickly the body would dissolve.
The Mega-Church could certainly have expository preaching and limit their pragmatic programs but it is my experience that in doing those two things it limits the growth and not the other way around. (not always but it seems more often than not)
Someone mentioned earlier in the comments (a couple of times) that the large church meant that more had been saved. I totally disagree.
Someone also mentioned that “He’s the one that grew them” and again I would have to say…not necessarily.
It isn’t just the intimacy or the “family” feeling of our church body but the accoutability that comes through church discipline, the faithful and convicting teaching that comes through preaching the entire word of God and the understanding that God and God alone brings about salvation through faith.
Congrats on your sweet baby! I am about 7-weeks away from #4 and besides the constant flame that is shooting out of my rib cage…I feel great!
Comment by Kim (December 12, 2007 @ 1:14 pm )
Thanks for all who wrote in via email or commenting with your thoughts. I believe I’ve read them all and want to chime in with a couple afterthoughts.
When I wrote that I like chocolate ice cream, I didn’t imply that vanilla ice cream was bad or a lesser evil. I even went so far as to say so, due to the nature of the blog world and the tendency to hurt feelings. Take what I said for what it’s worth. If that doesn’t work, you can always ask for a refund.
You guys are great. I’d like to elaborate, discuss, and interact with some of this. However, I have a newborn. That’s not a fancy way to retreat, just a very real fact. More blogging when there’s more time!
Comment by Amy Scott (December 12, 2007 @ 6:39 pm )
There’s been lots of “hurry up and wait” stuff going on. I’ll be sure to post when we have more details. We still haven’t begun the remodeling/finishing work on the house yet, due to the contractor being very busy.
This is all fine with us for now, as we are just concentrating on getting settled with our newest little sweetie. She is adorable and everyone just loves her. The toddler even has his moments. He pats her head and says, “nice…” but he is still a tad jealous.
Comment by Amy Scott (December 12, 2007 @ 6:51 pm )
My neighbors own three very large dogs. They let them all out muliple times a day off leashes to do their business in other people’s yards. Everyday. We presently have over 10 piles in our yard–NONE FROM OUR OWN DOG. I got sick of it after my toddler stepped in it in his new shoes, so I flung the piles back in their driveway. This was several years ago. We’ve asked them to stop. They won’t. Well, this week alone, four of us have stepped in dog piles in our own yard. Me? Barefoot.
Comment by Amy Scott (December 12, 2007 @ 7:06 pm )
“Someone mentioned earlier in the comments (a couple of times) that the large church meant that more had been saved. I totally disagree.”
At MY church it is absolutely true.
I can understand why people would read certain things about certain large churches and then assume something about all of them. But the only one I can talk about is the one I go to. It faithfully preaches the Gospel, (from a Calvinist viewpoint, if that matters to some of you) and works very hard to reach out to the community with the same.
We have also had people in the pulpit who have been beaten and tortured for their faith and share how the Lord sustained them through it. Some of these have been members of the Chinese underground church, another gentleman was in Romania under its dictatorship.
Ginny, your idea about branching out is sound except-do you know how hard it is to find new locations and pay for them? As I stated earlier in the thread, we are remodeling a building to do just that, and when it opens we will be going to it-but these things take time and they take money and they take people being willing to sell us locations. Meanwhile we keep growing….The preaching has stayed the same whether we were at 400 (which is where we were when I got there) to the 4500 or so we have now. We have a multiplicity of pastors so the sheep are being tended, but it’s hard for them to find somewhere to park!
Meanwhile we maintain a system of small group fellowships.
One thing our church has done is plant many other churches both in this nation and overseas. We have sponsored training centers in countries that I really cannot mention because of security risk. We are doing things for the kingdom of God that would be difficult or impossible for a smaller church to do. We have a purpose, just like smaller churches have a purpose. (NOT purpose driven tho *smile*)
Comment by connie (December 12, 2007 @ 11:09 pm )
Oh, and Amy, I understand your post was not condemning in any way larger church venues, and I didn’t take it that way. It’s just that all over the internet I keep seeing that so many people equate big church with bad church…I just felt the need to speak up.
Comment by connie (December 12, 2007 @ 11:12 pm )
our church is around the same size. i like it too. but what i LOVED was when we went to a church that had only around 50 people. so tiny and family-like. it was really special and i miss it a lot.
shalom to you.
Comment by Ruth (December 13, 2007 @ 6:21 pm )
Amy - thanks for sharing linky love on Tim’s homeschooling dad’s blog. He is an amazing father and husband even if he doesn’t take them all running in the morning. I would love some breakfast in bed though.
Our church is not particularly small but I always call it our “little church” because it has that warm, welcoming feeling.
God Bless!
Duckabush Blog
Comment by Kathy in WA (December 13, 2007 @ 6:57 pm )
So Amy,

I don’t usually leave you comments but after last night…. I had this dream that you, my sister and I were at this women’s retreat someplace and I was totally trying to impress you. You were totally unimpressed. You just played your guitar and jammed with my sister a bit (who was playing the piano) and then let her borrow a pair of your shiny new red figure skates. What’s up with that!?!?!
Weird, I know. Maybe I’m stressed about something, maybe it was the flavoured coffee I dared to drink in the late afternoon.
Comment by Shannon (December 14, 2007 @ 7:26 am )
Dear Shannon,
Our house was robbed around the time I was 17. The theives stole my guitar. I haven’t played the guitar since.
I went ice skating one time in college.
Thanks for the story.
Comment by Amy Scott (December 14, 2007 @ 10:52 am )
150? the sad truth is that that would be quite a large church here. i think we are 40 something.
Comment by Susanna (December 14, 2007 @ 11:27 am )
This is one of our biggest struggles. We attend a “mega-church” (complete with armed security guards
) and my husband love the head pastor and the church’s values.
But…we both grew up in smallish churches and we sorely miss the fellowship and family feeling that we had in those types of churches. At our current church, everyone is so busy, and we are out of place because we are family-oriented, not crazy-busy, and I stay home with the kids. We only recently started our older children in Sunday School and while they enjoy it, our two year old had some trouble because he is not used to being in a “daycare” like setting as all the other children are. There are “cell groups” available, but only if you’re willing to leave your children for several hours every week, which we won’t do. It is incredibly hard to get someone to even pencil us into their schedule when we invite them to eat supper with us.
Comment by Margaret (December 15, 2007 @ 12:07 pm )
We are the opposite..we drive 60 miles to our church…because it is doctrinally sound and has not given in to the seeker sensitive move that has been prevalent in our town. We have driven much further for less valuable things…so this is what we do. It is not as huge church, but a nice size and the scriptural emphasis is what we drive for….as well as many other reason..high view of God, God centered gospel…I could go on and on, wonderful homeschool families,etc….!
Comment by Anonymous (December 15, 2007 @ 1:31 pm )
Hear, hear! Our church is about the same size, and we love it, love it, love it. (for more reasons than the size, but that’s one reason) We drive about 40 minutes one way. It would be nice if it were closer (a quarter mile sounds great!), but we’re not leaving it to find a closer one.
Comment by Heidi (December 21, 2007 @ 7:02 pm )
I have gone to the same church since I was 4 years old (I am 29 now). It was a church of 150 until about 3 years ago and now we are at about 700 (we moved to a new location). It is a little bigger but I still know about 50% of the people and the people who went there when I was a little girl still go there now. I love having my church body be an extension of my family! BTW, the adjustment was very difficult and is still a challenge, but I still see the small church friendliness and authenticity.
Comment by Cassie Largaespada (January 5, 2008 @ 10:15 pm )