House Project: Electric (and a quick ramble about Christian community)
Tuesday, Feb 19, 2008
I’m a little slow on updating our house progress. (Here’s where I’m supposed to give an excuse: I still have six children in single digits, some of them sick, none of them of babysitting age…) Greg was up there last week to check on things. He took pictures and video, but I figure most of it is exciting only to us.
The rough plumbing is done. The wiring is mostly done. The broken windows were replaced with fancy schmancy tilt windows. I didn’t know we were getting these, but apparently, you can tip them in to clean the exterior. (Great. I’ve been enjoying the fact that I couldn’t reach windows from the outside all this time.) The HVAC system is partly done. It might be finished now.
So it’s still a mess. The drywall installation begins next week, and then the parts that I care about begin: paint colors, trim, flooring, cabinets. Greg tells me those things are minor, but that’s the fun part in my opinion. This other stuff? Just details. You have to remember that I’m married to an engineer who took a hacksaw to our dining room wall just to check for termites. (There were none.) Just make the construction parts work—that’s my attitude. I’ve got a smoky blue/deep red/taupe theme with hardwood and white trim going on throughout the house. That’s the good stuff.

Our builder is a Mennonite who was Amish until five years ago. I will refrain from highly recommending him until the project is over, but we are more than pleased so far. He has taken care of water damage and crooked floors without readjusting the bid (though he’d be justified in doing so). Owning a few sub-par properties over the years, we’ve dealt with a lot of contractors. I can’t say there’s anyone I’d deal with again or recommend. In fact, our pool guy walked off the job last year with our money– leaving a cracked, unfinished deck. Our rental units are a whole ‘nuther story worth its own book. So, it’s interesting to me that people seek out the work of the Amish—you know, “Amish built” or whatever—but my experience has been to steer clear of anyone with a business ad and the little fish symbol. There are some great Christians, yes, but they are harder to find (presumably due to the large number of people who say that they are but aren’t). It seems you don’t have to wade through a few dozen Amish/Mennonites before you find one who won’t rob you blind.
Anyway, our contractor talked with Greg about his experience with converting from Amish to Mennonite. He says that when he was Amish that he and his wife traveled everywhere together in their buggy and life was much slower. Now, he and his wife have separate cars and go their separate ways. Much of the day is spent apart, you know, but that seems to be the cost of living with technology. There are trade-offs for sure, but time is definitely one of the casualties.
Just as an aside, last year a few readers hammered on me for romanticizing the Amish. For sure, there are theological concerns with some sects, works-based salvation being chief among them. I am a Presbyterian, after all. However, my point wasn’t a theological one, but a practical one.* Mainly, how much do we evaluate what we do, the choices we make, the technologies we adopt in light of how it affects the greater community? It is important to ask the questions, to think about their answers. The Amish are great at this; evangelicals less so. They at least consider these things, even if we don’t agree with all their conclusions. (Though, I’d argue after reading The Riddle of the Amish Culture that they are more right than we are in many cases.) I mean, we don’t even have communities, let alone have the problem of deciding how our decisions fit into the larger context of it.
I might be wrong here, but it’s my observation that organic community life occurs more often when people of similar lifestyles coexist geographically. This, in contrast, to the artificial communities we attempt to create based on theological sameness. There are many reasons and examples I can think of that would support this. It’s a thought I’d like to discuss sometime, but this post is already long enough.
*I often yammer on about how our theological beliefs have practical implications. If what I believe about God is “a”, then “b” necessarily follows. In other words, the sacred and the secular co-exist; ideas have consequences; faith has feet. But just go with me here on the point without dissecting that sentence…
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Knowing your contractor personally (and his family) I can vouch for how wonderful they are!
Can’t wait until you are closer by…
Comment by Petersonclan (February 19, 2008 @ 5:28 pm )
I hear ya, Amy! I think I know what you mean about the Amish and Mennonites. I have similiar sentiments though I hesitate to say it lest I sound like I’m condoning everything they believe or that I’m literally going to start driving a buggy. There’s something to “simplicity of life”.
-long time reader, but a never-before-commenter
Comment by Kaylene (February 19, 2008 @ 5:53 pm )
We hired some guys with the little fish symbol in their ad to do some plumbing work a few weeks ago. Monk and I jest over this little symbol all the time…and yet we hired someone that had it. They did an okay job I guess ~ if you count leaving muddy footprints on my bathroom rug okay and one guy telling me they would seal my kitchen sink after they fixed it and then the other saying, Nope, didn’t know anything about it. Sigh.
I think next time I’ll just stick to fish from the grocery, battered and fried. At least if it ticks me off I can eat it.
Comment by Michelle (February 19, 2008 @ 6:15 pm )
LOL, my husband is a contractor. Thank goodness he is one of the good guys, but we hear horror stories all the time from customers and other people in the business. I think that your question (how much do we evaluate what we do, the choices we make, the technologies we adopt in light of how it affects the greater community?) is intriguing and hope that you expound on it.
Comment by Heather (February 19, 2008 @ 6:42 pm )
Our house has tilt out windows. I love them!!! I don’t think we would ever clean out upstairs windows if they didn’t tilt!
I have a bad habit of wanting to pitch everything someone has to say if I don’t agree with their basic doctrine (the Amish in this case). I agree that there are many things about the “simple” lifestyle that are good. I just have a hard time looking past the “whys” of there lifestyle, as you said their works-based salvation.
Comment by Rhonda (February 19, 2008 @ 7:10 pm )
If I can brag on my church just a little…we’re “fancy” Mennonites… I love that our life together is heavier on the doing than the talking. A dear, old saint of the church recently died and everyone, young and old, pitched in to grieve, worship and help the widow. None of this “call the Pastor of Congregational Care”. I am so thankful we’re dependent on the work of us all, not the experts.
I also want to add a hearty “Amen” to the geographical connection. I think too many modern “communities” are thinly veiled consumer experiences. When we’re done really reading the Gospels, we need to go read more Wendell Berry!
Comment by Rebecca (February 19, 2008 @ 8:14 pm )
Hmmmmm . . . I always enjoy reading your posts. I’d have to say that outside of Christ (and a lot that bears Christ’s name is outside of Christ) community does happen best among people of similar socio-economic status. Putnam (The sociologist who wrote “Bowling Alone”) says so. But the places where the most social integration occurs is within mega-churches and some of the charasmatic churches (disclaimer: I belong to neither). He says this is because they feature many opportunities for people with differing ethnicities and incomes to work together. I like to think that when you work with people that have these differences you must have Christ as the center of your relationship because, well, what else do you have in common?
I think when Paul said, “They will know you by your love for one another” that he wanted to make sure that the church wasn’t known for anything else i.e. The Church: those are the people that circumcise their boys, those are the people that don’t dance, that is the group where they pass snakes around the room during the service. Whether or not your church does or doesn’t engage in those activities matters not to me (okay, that last one is a concern) but I don’t think it is what we are to be known for.
Comment by Leslie (February 20, 2008 @ 1:09 am )
Just out of curiosity, how thick insulation there is in your outer walls? What is average in the area you are going to move? And how many window layers there is in your windows (2-3)? Do you have any fireplace to heat your home or is it oil or something else?
Sorry for the detailed questions:) I just became interested in American practices (I’m Finnish) concerning these things while reading your blog.
Joel
Comment by Joel (February 20, 2008 @ 3:27 am )
Hi Amy,
I really enjoyed this post. I suppose some people do romantize the Amish, but I wonder if it isn’t their slower pace in life and focus on family, God and community that many are drawn to. So many times, with all our material wealth it is easy to become so technology focused that we fail to interact with our families, God and communuity.
Take Care,
Trixie
Comment by Trixie (February 20, 2008 @ 6:06 am )
Oh! To be part of a community. That is something my dh and I are really looking for, a church family, but it just isn’t to be found.
Comment by Thia (February 20, 2008 @ 8:07 am )
ooh, so exciting…I can’t wait to see the dry wall up, that is when us women-folk get to step in and start our decorating magic.
Comment by Candace Prosser (February 20, 2008 @ 9:38 am )
These are interesting thoughts on community. Certainly what we believe about God, or anything for that matter, usually plays out in our lives. Sadly though for many people, what they believe about God simply ends there. They do not bother to think through how it should affect their lives and therefore, live an existence that resembles nothing of Christ. I agree that we need to simplify our lives, but to the end that we have more time for our God, our family and His will. I think balance is vital. Somehow, we must remain useful to our Master in our current society without yielding to the pressures and demands of that same society. Technology is a wonderful tool that can be used to free up our time in order to serve God. Unfortunately, we selfishly squander our time pleasing ourselves and then blame the modern conveniences and call them evil. Anything can be used for good or evil (ie. money, time, words, music, sex, guns, etc.). What you do with it (technology) is the key.
Comment by Ginny (February 20, 2008 @ 10:51 am )
I think I would have liked being Amish had I been born Amish. I used to want to become Amish (as a teenager). Now I believe that I am where I am because God put me here, and it is not so much about where I am as what I do in this place. For instance, I’ve been reading Rocks in My Dryer as she has journeyed through Uganda. Our American struggles are nothing compared to what the starving children of Uganda face. However, our struggles are still real, and what we do with them is still a test each day of our faith in God, whether we wrestle with where the next meal comes from, how to get a towed car back, or how to manage our children, their friends and their friends’ video games. Whatever struggle a person faces, it is real and not to be discounted.
Some churches focus so much on evangelizing the lost that they forget to build community and show love to the members of the body. Others become self-sufficient (and perhaps selfish) little communities that care nothing about the lost. A happy medium would be nice to find…
Comment by ruth (February 20, 2008 @ 4:15 pm )
Most of my relatives are in one of the “Brethren” groups (similar to the Mennonites,) and they are just as busy as me! A lot of it is just daily life — children, school, family, and serving others in their family and church. Sometimes, though, it seems they actually feel more pressure to accomplish because of their community…to do all those things that a good Christian should do. In some ways, I feel my family’s lifestyle is actually “simpler!”
Comment by Dana (February 20, 2008 @ 4:20 pm )
Amy-
I just wanted to give you some hope. Our oldest turned babysitting age last year. It is wonderful, your whole life changes. A few years ago I was in your shoes, 6 kids (one newborn), my husband was in Iraq, and I needed back surgery. Things were very different then, but time goes quickly. Those days seem far away to me now. You will get through this stage sooner than you think.
Comment by Toni (February 20, 2008 @ 4:28 pm )
I would love to see a discussion on examining our lives as Christians, as well. Lately, the verses that speak of ‘doing all to the glory of God’ have been convicting several areas of my life - from to finances to fitness. Looking forward to your views.
BTW, I have long held the opinion that if any business has to advertise it’s ‘christianity’ (small c) with the little fish - there likely isn’t much about them that is different enough to be a witness for Christ. It sounds like your contractor’s testimony for Christ is in his work - as it should be.
Comment by Kim from Canada (February 20, 2008 @ 10:59 pm )
Hi Amy,
I too am a long time reader, but rare poster. I’m enjoying watching the progress on your house, your colours sound lovely, it will be fun for you when things get to that stage! I can tend to romanticize the Amish, really I am drawn to their simpler, slower pace of life and the richness of family and community they seem to have. There is a lot we can learn from them. As far as I know, some Amish groups are believers, “New Order” or “Beachy Amish” groups. I live in a major city’s suburbs and sometimes so long for the quiet country life - have to be careful though not to idealize that too! I’m learning that life can be simple even within my four walls if we purposefully make it so.
I also look forward to hearing more of your ideas in this area, Bless you!
Comment by Sarah (February 21, 2008 @ 11:54 am )
I was in Pennsylvania around 10 years ago with my parents and we went on this guided “Tour of Amish Country” (it makes me cringe to write that–welcome to the Amish Zoo, folks! See the Amish in their natural habitats!)Anyway, the tour guide told us that the Amish allow their children to ride scooters but not bicycles because it limits how far away from home they can ride. The other tourists talked about how limiting this was to the children, but I remember thinking that it actually seemed like a nice thing. Now that I have young kids I like the idea even more. Not because I fear my kids being far away, but because I like to have them close. It’s the reason I like to give when I tell people we’re planning to teach our kids at home. It’s not so much a fear of what’s Out There, it’s the desire to build rich, meaningful community here. Proximity IS key to community. The tour guide could’ve totally made up the scooter thing, incidentally. I suppose if the Amish were allowed to read blogs they could set me right.
Comment by Patti (February 21, 2008 @ 2:11 pm )
I live in Lancaster, Pa and have several Amish friends. I am afraid the tour guide did make the scooter thing up. Not that it really matters, but they do not ride bikes because they do not believe in using rubber for the wheels. They make their own wheels for the scooters, therefore, they are allowed. They are not the scooters we use. It is true the Amish can be very family oriented and I sometimes, can border on being jealous of the simplicity of their lives. But, the sad reality is a lot of them live very sad lives. There is a lot of abuse and such and sometimes it is just very sad to talk with some of the women. They never share their “story”, but say enough so you know. I was told by an Amish women once that my home was one of the few she felt comfortable in because my husband was kind and she was not fearful of him. This is of course very general. I have also met Amish who are believers and live very happy lives. One thing I have learned from them is how to treat your neighbors. They are so quick to help even though we are not Amish.This just goes to show that sin and sadness exist in every world.
Comment by Anonymous (February 21, 2008 @ 9:38 pm )
I live in Lancaster, Pa and have several Amish friends. I am afraid the tour guide did make the scooter thing up. Not that it really matters, but they do not ride bikes because they do not believe in using rubber for the wheels. They make their own wheels for the scooters, therefore, they are allowed. They are not the scooters we use. It is true the Amish can be very family oriented and I sometimes, can border on being jealous of the simplicity of their lives. But, the sad reality is a lot of them live very sad lives. There is a lot of abuse and such and sometimes it is just very sad to talk with some of the women. They never share their “story”, but say enough so you know. I was told by an Amish women once that my home was one of the few she felt comfortable in because my husband was kind and she was not fearful of him. This is of course very general. I have also met Amish who are believers and live very happy lives. One thing I have learned from them is how to treat your neighbors. They are so quick to help even though we are not Amish.This just goes to show that sin and sadness exist in every world.
Comment by Julie (February 21, 2008 @ 9:38 pm )
I also have admired the Amish for a long time. I am fascinated by the way they live! I found your website through the aboverubiesretreats website. Your writing is so encouraging to me!
Blessings!
Comment by Brandy (February 21, 2008 @ 11:22 pm )
I am blessed to live in a Chistian community that actually functions by Acts 2:42 standards. It is a joy, loving and serving each other. This week we had a member miscarry a baby and they had to send an email out to the body to not over crowd them with help.
Your colors sound beautiful. They remind me of baseball!
Comment by Christi L (February 22, 2008 @ 10:02 am )
Thanks for all the comments. Just want to answer a specific question:
I don’t know about the insulation. I believe the windows are double-paned. We will rely on a wood heat stove for most of our heat, with electric heat as a backup.
Comment by Amy Scott (February 22, 2008 @ 11:38 am )
My husband and I were just having a discussion about this after watching Sweet Land. He said he’d love to have some like-minded friends start a community with us. That’s the only way the Amish survive, right? Basically they rely on each other, and yet sadly, most of us don’t even know our neighbors’ names.
Comment by Laura (March 1, 2008 @ 9:37 pm )
WOW! The house is really coming along Amy! Can hardly wait to see you all this spring..it is still spring isn’t it? hahaha!
Comment by Ashley (March 4, 2008 @ 1:30 am )